AboutDeborah Expertise I can answer almost any question regarding abortion, such as health aspects, emotional
aspects, and especially answering debate questions.
Experience I have written almost 10,000 posts over the last few years on this topic. I have a forum as well as a blog which also discuss abortion.
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Education/Credentials I have a Bachelor's Degree in Biology, and am halfway through a Master's Degree, also in Biology. I have access to and read many of the top medical journals, from which I also get the best, most thorough and accurate to answers to pressing medical and health related questions. This equips me with factual, biological information to dispel many myths related to abortion.
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Question QUESTION: I'm just curious to know how you justify your support of abortion. I can't see how it's even an issue. You can't deny that an abortion ends a life. It's not up to the woman, because it's not her life she's ending. Many people, I'm assuming you are among them, would say that it's ok because life doesn't begin until birth, but there is no medical support for that. Here's a question: If a mother killed her baby five minutes after the baby was born, would that be an infanticide, or a delayed abortion?
ANSWER: Dear Adam,
Yes I can deny that abortion ends a life, because your definition of "life" and mine are different. My heart is alive, but it doesn't have it's own "life". In order for it to have its own life it would have to be an organism. To qualify as an organism it would have to sustain itself without being a part of another person's body. Since it cannot do that, it is not an organism, it is a part of another organism. An embryo is also not an organism, and is part of a woman's body. There is plenty of medical support for my definition of life beginning at birth.
Furthermore, the definition of abortion is the termination of pregnancy before it is complete. Killing a baby after it is born has nothing to do with ending a pregnancy before it is completed. Yes, killing a baby would be considered infanticide.
If you really think there are women who seek abortions when they are 9 months pregnant, I feel sorry for you. Abortions after viability are illegal. The only way a woman can get a late term abortion is if she or the fetus is dying, if her health would be compromised to a extremely serious degree, or if the fetus is seriously deformed.
90% of abortions occur in the first trimester, and the vast majority of abortions involve an embryo, not a fetus. Nature kills 9 out of 10 fertilized eggs and embryos, which is far more than have ever been aborted. If you really care about the life of the fertilized egg and embryo, you should be demanding medical research into the cause of these billions of deaths caused by something other than abortion. Environmental toxins are one reason so many die.
Breast feeding also kills embryos by not allowing them to implant in the woman's uterus. Look up Luteal Phase Defect. You should be demanding that breast feeding become illegal.
The act of sex in order to procreate kills more embryos than are ever born. In vitro fertilization on average loses 4 embryos for every succesfull pregnancy, compared to the average of 9 embryos lost during natural procreation. If you care so much about embryonic life, you should demand that people either use in vitro fertilization to have more children, or stop trying to have more children altogether. If 9 born children were to die for every new baby born, how do you think people would react?
Take care,
Deb
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QUESTION: By your definition of an organism, then, the baby becomes human once the umbilical cord is cut. Or is it just once the baby is fully out of the mother?
I assume that most people agree with the "innocent until proven guilty" concept underlying our justice system. In other words, we don't punish a criminal until we can absolutely prove that he is guilty. The same should apply in this case. Even considering your definition of an organism, I have never seen enough to convince me that life begins at birth. Consider this: If I'm wrong, basically all I've done is inconvenience people. It's a major inconvenience, admittedly, but an inconvenience nonetheless. Whereas if you're wrong, babies are being killed. Until it can be shown beyond a shadow of a doubt to any and all parties concerned that life begins at or after birth, abortion should be outlawed, if for no other reason than that the risk is too great.
Have you ever had an abortion? I'm just a 19-year old guy, so obviously I have no idea what any of this feels like, but I wonder what a woman feels when she thinks that if she hadn't aborted her "fetus", she would be holding a baby right now.
Just for the record, I'm not calling you a murderer or anything, we've just got a pretty deep philosophical disagreement and I enjoy a good debate, so don't take this the wrong way. I'm really not writing this vehemently.
By the way, breastfeeding is not illegal because luteal phase defect is a defect. Defect: a shortcoming, fault, or imperfection @dictionary.com
Answer Dear Adam,
Yes, I have had an abortion and I also have had a baby. When I had my abortion an embryo died. It was barely 2 mm, had no organs or tissues, and was just undifferentiated cells. Undifferentiated means that the cells had not yet become skin cells or lung cells, etc.,etc. It could not feel or experience anything.
It does not matter what you call it, it does not change what is actually is. If you call it a baby, it is still a tiny 2mm group of undifferentiated cells. Just because you want to call it a baby does not immediately turn it into an actual baby.
I felt great relief that I did not have to endure the hardships, sickness, pain and emotional turmoil of pregnancy, and I was especially grateful not to have to go through the torture of labor and the agony of childbirth, all at a time when I was not able to care for and did not want a child.
I did not care that an embryo died because many embryos die in every single sexually active woman in the world. Most of the time this occurs before a woman even knows an egg had been fertilized, and the embryo or fertilized egg comes out with the woman's period.
If you say that it is ok for an embryo to die of natural means but not by the actions of a woman, than what you are really against is the woman, not the loss of an embryo.
If a born child died because a woman breastfed an infant, breastfeeding would indeed be illegal. It wouldn't matter that breastfeeding was natural. Nobody would stand for the death of born children. That is not at all how people feel about embryos. Embryos are expendable. People do not care that more embryos die than are ever born. If actual born children died when their parents tried to conceive another child, no parent would ever try to conceive another child. It would not matter that trying to have another child was natural. The loss of their first born child would be too great.
