About Walt Expertise You don`t have to be sick to get better. Each of us, especially those trying to recover from addiction to alcohol or drugs, face daily `problems`. Our struggle to rise above these situations often seems endless or impossible. Often, the answer is as close as sharing your problem with another. For more than twenty five years I have been involved in a continuing program of helping others ( and myself ) grow. Confidentiality respected always.
Experience More than 25 years of hands on experience. Various government and private training programs. Learning to live, drug and alcohol free, one day at a time is my greatest accomplishment.
fortunado wrote at 2006-06-18 07:27:18
If it "soooo bad," to take, why are they so widely prescribed? Sure they are prescribed for pain, but the side effects are no different if you actually have pain than if you don't. The only consideration this person should take into account is the dosage and posssible drug interactions. If you are going to experiment with drugs (sure it's illegal) only use drugs you know you won't react to in a bad way (i.e. drugs you've been prescribed legitimately) and don't take a whole bunch. Duh!
Anonymous wrote at 2006-09-19 01:41:33
Well basically Walt didn't answer any of your questions, so I thought i'd give my two cents (and help with the actual questions, instead of telling you "tisk tisk").
I was in a fairly serious car accident a couple months ago so I have been on several different prescription pain killers. Vicodin is Hydrocodone with Tylenol. Percocet is Oxycodone with Tylenol. Oxycodone is stronger than hydrocodone. Both of these, including Morphine and Heroin are opiates. Anyway, I would not recommend snorting Vicodin or Percocet as they both contain APAP (tylenol) which burns like hell. As far as addiction; the first most obvious sign of the start of opiate addiction is the development of tolerance, needing more of the drug to aquire the same "buzz". A likely scenario for being physically addicted would be taking the vicodin or percocet at least once a day for at least a couple weeks. Upon stopping you would have some phsyical withdrawal symptoms (restlessness, muscle/bone pain, insomnia, diarrhea, irritability, sweating, chills) peaking at about 48 hours after the last use and then fading over the next couple days. Tolerance would virtually be back to nothing after not taking the drug for a week. Psychological addiction is a different story though... Maybe Walt can help you with that
Big B wrote at 2006-10-31 00:23:37
hey man,
the difference is the chemical composition mainly however most percs contain oxycodone(not contin) which seems to sometimes after long term use have more addicting qualities. The other thing you mentioned about snorting them. Well to be honest is the best way to get addicted due to the body wanting that taste you get from the drip. Not that i would tell anyone to stop something but i would advise you to take them differently. I myself had a hard time kicking roxicodone which i had prescribed for my back because i got greedy and decided to snort one next thing i new i was up to 5 a day at 15 mg it got a little ruff doing about 75 mg a day up my nose. The high wasnt even the what i liked it was the taste. Recomendation thou man if you want the same effect high wise. Break it up and crush it and mix it in a drink and take that. The pill will enter your system at about the same as snorting it. Other then that be careful as you most likely wont realise it if you do become addicted if that happens i recomend with vicodin or hydrocodone as some forms of it are that you just taper yourself off it dropping down 15-20% every 2 days.
best of luck have fun and be careful
antone wrote at 2007-01-26 22:00:15
Wow.
the last thing I would do is take advise form a bunch of pill poppers. Myself included. My advice to you is stay a way from painkillers. I promise it starts out as fun then turns into a super heavy addiction, in little or no time. I was on every painkiller form dovocet up to morphine. Let me tell you that was great. But after two years of using them it was the hardest thing in my life to try to quit the habbit. I was taking 7- 5mg oxycodone evey 4 hours. Needless to say I finall overdosed and lost my life Luckly I only went into a seizure and short coma. Every doctor I talked to said I should have been dead along time ago. THe addiction was so bad I didnt kick the withdrawl symtoms for 14 days. I have a new found respect for crack heads. That was the longest 2 weeks of my life. My point being no matter how fun or high you might get it will come back to bite you,and it hurts real bad
bump it wrote at 2007-06-12 03:30:21
Uh, as opposed to the first answer, I'll actually help you out.
Percocet and Vicodin are, for the most part, the same thing. Both are prescription painkillers, and as far as I know, both are basically oxycodone. Percocet's tend to be stronger, but it usually depends on the dosage or strength of each.
Here's how I look at it...taking either orally is fine considering these are pills that are given out for even mild surgeries (ie. tonsils, fingers, etc.) and are even given out for soreness following minor injuries (my bro-in-law just received 120 lortab 10mg for falling off a four-wheeler, and he didn't break any bones OR have any lacerations of any kind...just soreness). So, as long as you take in moderation and don't drink alcohol with them, you'll be fine. I have taken upwards of 10 vicodin or lortab 10mg and felt awesome, but have never had an upset stomach or any bad side effects because of it (I wouldnt recommend taking more than three or so on your first time).
Now, as for percs, if you have 10mg you can easily feel amazing off two of those as opposed to 5 or 6 lortab or vicodin 10mg. Those are truly the best pills to take without getting into roxy, oxy, etc.
As for snorting (tooting, bumping) those bad boys, I feel that you definitely get a quicker high from putting them up your nose. Now, if you're not comfortable with that, taking them orally is awesome and is highly recommended. I usually only bump painkillers after I have already taken a couple orally. My typical solution is to take whatever gets you feeling pretty good orally, and then bump a little after you start to feel your body chill out. But, in my opinion, the high isn't any better after bumping, it just hits you quicker and lasts a shorter period of time. So, as I said, if you swallow a few and start to feel good, but wanna feel better, I recommend bumping a little instead of trying to swallow a couple more real quick. You will use less by bumping than if you wanna swallow them and get the same high.
Also, the problem with bumping percs or any of those is you end up having a considerable amount of powder after crushing them. It can be a nose-full trying to hit that much, but I always just do the damn thing and go big.
The best way to take these things is to take all or half of what you're taking and break them in half (ie., if you're taking 6 lortabs, break three in half before swallowing, or break all 6 in half), this will allow the drug to hit you quicker. If you break all in half, you're gonna get hit harder but it will last less time, if you break half of them, you'll get hit by the first wave and get hit again later.
For bumping, take a dollar bill, fold it in half with the pill in it, and crush it with the bottom of a shot glass. Then take the shot glass and roll it over the dollar to smooth it out. Finally, pour the powder on a table or something, give it a fine chop with a credit card, and toot it with either a dollar bill or a drinking straw (I like to cut the straw into a three-inch piece for easier snorting).
Also, if you get a roxy or oxy, just put a couple up your nose as these are much smaller and will make you feel like Jesus.
Hope this helped!
Genius wrote at 2007-07-10 17:10:04
Walt,
Are you serious with that answer? You seem to me to be a cantankerous, judgemental jerk with this response. If your point is that any illegal drug use is definitionally non-recreational, say so. Dont hide behind your "psychology" to take someone to task over the question they ask you. The anonymity of the internet provides a place where mike can ask such a question and receive the information he seeks in the form of an answer in order to satiate his need to know without fear of negative relational ramifications. So, please, save the snide response. Jerk.
And yes, I am a member of Mensa. I studied at Oxford, the world's best university. I study Einstein, Kant, Wittgenstein, Leibiz and the like for fun. I own a business I started when I was 18. Etc. Etc. I am smarter than you, so dont make this an intellectual pissing contest. You will lose.
cory wrote at 2007-07-14 06:27:12
wow that was a really horrible answer that question for someone who's "field is psychology"...u could have just left it at the fact that you're not an MD and don't know what you're talking about...its not like snorting vicodin isn't common among younger ppl...i don't do it myself...but u don't need to make this guy feel like he's a psycho for asking a question...alot of ppl like to experiment, if anything its smart to atleast ask about what could happen many ppl don't
crazy wrote at 2007-08-14 02:03:01
back to the first question. yes it is dangerous! while probly not as dangerous as cocaine, because that can actually eat a hole right thru your nose. painkillers with APAP are bad to snort. the APAP doesnt dissolve in your head or lungs. APAP was designed to be dissolved by stomach acids. therefore, even after all the fun stuff is absorbed the tylenol sits there in your nose and does what? just cakes up. it get in your lungs and it just builds up. I assume its worse than smoking to have that in your lungs. if you could separate the fun stuff from the tylenol... could be a fun night!
Tammie wrote at 2007-09-06 19:48:31
I am sitting here looking for information re percent and vicodin because my 42 year old brother JUST DIED 9-1-07 from them. He snorted them. What a terrible loss this is to our family and his son. The police found him confused on the street and took him home and he was found dead two days later. An appointment for rehab was set up a few days earlier and he did not make it. BECAUSE HE IS DEAD! My gosh you guys you are playing with fire. Take a look at the big picture and you too may find yourself 6 feet under. God Bless you all.
Moved wrote at 2007-09-22 14:21:34
I think the first response was just someone who cares. I went to this site with the same original question. If there were more people that really cared about the well-being of others people wouldn't need pain killers recreationally.
alyvia wrote at 2008-01-30 22:07:22
all the kid wanted to know was how it would affect him....please save the everyone loves you dramatics:
yo kid, this is what will happen to you:
you will begin slurring your words slightly, like Anna Nicole always did
you will be incessantly tired with bouts of energy---few and FAR between
you will be so backed up (from not pooping for days) your intestines will feel like they want to explode out of your body
you will fight fits of MASS confusion in your head---feel like your going crazy
your heart will begin to palputate abnormally---feels like heart attack..
stop now while you can without the excessive costs of professional rehab.
ps im not a doctor just an addict
shazcy765 wrote at 2008-03-29 06:31:58
the difference between just wanting to chill and addiction all depends on your relationship with the drug. if you can just take it every once in awhile, to chill/relax/have fun that is totally different than waking up everyday and trying to figure out where/when you are going to take it, how much you'll have to take to get high enough all without regard for the negative effects it may have on your life.
that is the mental aspect of vicodin addiction, physically...every cell in your body starts to depend on it, and when you don't get it...you feel like hell.
Murph wrote at 2008-06-04 16:49:56
It is DISGUSTING to me an RN that you can get on line to ask a question about a drug addiction and FIND drugs for sale at the end of the page....it makes me SICK! I am not ranting or raving or yelling I am stating a FACT! This is a VERY SAD state of affairs here on line!!
