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Expert: - 10/12/2008


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Alpine safe
Hi. I came upon your website as I was trying to find information on an antique safe we have had in my family for many generations. I hate to part with it, but my Mom has to go into assisted living and I have no room for it. I believe it is cast iron with possibly concrete filled walls. It has its original interior. The front says Alpine Safe Company Cincinnati, Ohio. The top I believe says Thos. Farrer. or Thos. Farrec. I will try to attach pictures. If they don't attach correctly please let me know and I will be glad to send them to you via e-mail. Do you have any information on this safe or any idea of its value? It all works perfectly and we have the combination. I greatly appreciate any information you can give me on this. Crystal

Answer
Alpine Safe & Lock Co., manufactured safes during the late 1800's (mid 1880's-1899 or there abouts).  Their safes were more or less of a "standard" variety of record safe.  Record safes were built to protect documents from fire as opposed to burglary safes which were meant to protect valuables from "burglars".  The only thing exceptional about most of the Alpine safes were the paint jobs.  Most of the safes had unique oil paintings that represented scenes of ships, mountains or villages.

The name on the top of your safe "Thos. Farrer" or "Thos. Farrec." would have probably been one of the original owners of the safe.  If you do some research into the name in your area you may come up with some of the history for this particular safe.  Try to document its history in your family, photos really help.  This will help increase the value of the safe.

Rating Antique Value is based on several things, such as (but not limited to):
1.  Condition:  (excellent, good, fair, poor)
2.  Age
3.  Manufacture
4.  Type:  (Fire, Data, Burglary (bankers or jewelers)
5.  Construction methods:  (sheet steel, cast iron, composite, heavy steel/manganese)
6.  Size / Weight
7.  Art work  (original/refurbished/restored)
8.  History:  (documented with and without photo’s)
9.  Purpose of resale -  as an antique or for use as “Burglar safe or Fire safe“

Condition is based on different levels such as:
Excellent - Like new / out of the box
Good - Used but in like new condition/all parts available and work
Fair - minor damage, paint scratches, combo's and keys are available and/or doors are locked open.  Interior has minor damage.
Poor - Locked missing combo or keys, missing parts (ie locks, wheel packs) major damage, safe has been repainted over existing paint.  Interior damage, drawers missing, locks damaged, missing, etc.

The type of safe can change the value dramatically as Bankers & Jewelers safes are more sought after than cast iron record safes.

Purpose of "use"  If you are going to refurbish the safe and use it as an antique the value will be more than if you were going to use it as a "safe".  The reason being the safe was built 100 years ago, it would not stand up to current fire and burglary standards at all.

Without seeing quality pictures of the safe it is difficult to answer the question concerning value, however that being said, most safes such as yours in fair condition usually go for $250 to $500.

If the safe has documented history and/or if you restored it to original condition you could significantly improve the value of the safe.

If you decide to restore it, I have some ideas that will be of help to you, but unless it is a really unique safe and/or you are really in love with it, you should plan on spending more than it is worth.

Remember that the majority of these safes were built prior to cutting torches and/or most of the electrical tools that we have today.  They do not meet current burglary or fire protection standards and as such should not be used for overnight storage of valuables such as:  cash, jewelry, valuable documents, guns or computer media (discs, thumbdrives, microfiche).  

Depending on how large your safe is, you could use it as an interesting conversation piece or storage and display of collectible items that you may have.  Don't be afraid to convert the interior cabinetry over to a nice display cabinet of some sort.

Send the photos of the safe to andy@securitysafeusa.com

Andy

Terry V Andreasen (Andy)

Expertise

Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 40 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of two Tilton & McFarland Safes from the 1860's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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