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el wrote at 2015-04-22 17:47:06
Are you kidding me? The original paint is everything. Antique collectors pay for the patina and the fact that it looks vintage. The condition of the paint in that picture is excellent for something that age and it is a beautiful piece. You would never be able to recreate the look or paint that intricate image in the center. If you were to strip the paint you would ruin the value. I can't believe anyone would tell give such bad advice about antiques. Never refinish an antique unless there is no absolutely no paint left.

Andy wrote at 2015-05-03 20:59:44

While I agree with your statement about the original paint being important, you are making assumptions concerning the actual condition of the paint, and the amount of rust present.   Safes are not paintings, in as much as the canvas is made of steel.   If not prepared correctly PRIOR to the painting, the pervasive rust WILL get under the paint, making exceedingly difficult to preserve or restore.

My restoration goals are ALWAYS to preserve as much of the original paint as possible, however there are several unique problems that present themselves - first being the number of restoration artist available in the entire country - which are about 5.   Secondly & problem most important is the condition of the item.   In most cases the surface of a safe that has been in use for over 100 years is extremely damaged and may have been painted over several times.

Unfortunately while it easy for you to play armchair quarterback to criticize someone who is trying to save or restore some antique items, you haven't actually offered any real solutions for owners of old safes.

Also, you show your ignorance by indicating that collectors pay for "Patina", when you don't even know what it is.

Patina is the oxidation of silver, brass, bronze and copper, and is that greenish layer that is seen.   While this oxidation may be desirable in statues or copper clad roofs of older buildings, oxidation in any form is NOT desirable.   The rust that forms on steel safes is NOT "PATINA", it is simply rust.

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)


Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 40 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of two Tilton & McFarland Safes from the 1860's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.


40 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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2009 - 2013 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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