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Expert: - 12/17/2008


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QUESTION:  I just bought a old safe with a newer mosler combination lock group 2 no. B-263565 is the top number and BP-216 underneath.I was looking for a few of the internal parts or a whole new or used assembly. If you you could steer me in the right direction I would appreciate it

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Baron

ANSWER: Baron,

Those parts are not available, and haven't been for 20-30 years.  Your options include putting a complete new lock on.
Many of the Mosler locks used a 1/4"x40 threaded dial spindle.  The standard is 5/16"x40.  Check the threads on your dial spindle so we can determine what lock to replace yours with.
The second item to check is the mounting screw pattern and spindle hole measurements.  Get these measurements for me and I'll see what I can recommend.

Andy

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QUESTION:  I checked the measurements and the dial spindle is 5/16. The spindle hole is 5/8 and the mounting holes are 2 3/8 on the top and the side is approximetly .950

Thanks
Baron

ANSWER: Baron,

Sounds like a standard lock will fit, and you should be able to use the original dial and dial ring.  From the outside the safe will look the same.  Keep the old lock in case you ever find a replacement lock.

If you need prices let me know.  You can contact me at:  Andy@securitysafeusa.com or 800-326-4224

andy

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QUESTION:  Andy I am sorry the side mounting holes are 1.950 not .950.

Thanks
Baron

Answer
Baron,

The lock that you have is probably a Mosler B101/103, MR98, or a K120 series lock.  Unfortunately these are not the standard footprint and are all obsolete locks.

The standard foot print is as follows:

mounting holes:
side to side:  1.620"
front to back:  2.620"

Dial/spindle hole is centered side to side, or 0.810
from center of rear mounting holes forward:  0.70"
from center of front mounting holes back:  1.920
Spindle thread is:  5/16"x40 tpi.
The critical measurement is going to be from the center of the spindle hole to the tip of the lock bolt.  New lock is 2.70".  Your lock is probably 2.20" or less.

Using the measurements above, look at the area that the lock is currently mounted in to see if you have room for the newer lock.
I will look around my parts room, now that I have an idea of the lock size that you are looking for.
If you can send me pictures of the lock, that you have it should make id-ing it easier.

Andy
andy@securitysafeusa.com

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 40 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of two Tilton & McFarland Safes from the 1860's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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40 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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2009, 2010 & 2011 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Reserve Chief Warrant Officer (CW3), with 32 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2006 US Army Retired Reserve 2006-present

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