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I and my sister have in our possession a Milner safe that was bought from our grandfather around 1930. We are using it until now for safekeeping documentation. We decided to sell it, but we have no idea if it's value. On the upper left corner is curved the number 7822 and on the upper right corner the number AO1652 (or AC1652). The safe's dimensions are 66x72x123cm and it weighs about 800 kilos or more. We have the keys of the door and the inner drawers, and the locks work perfectly. The safe did an excellent job protecting my grandfather’s documents after a fire around 1950. It was repainted but no other restoration actions were made afterwards. I can only attach two photos of the safe but I have some with more details. Please tell us what photos do you need and where to send them. We would appreciate any information about its date that was built and a value price. Thank you, Ed.


While I can give you a rough idea of what the safe would be worth in the US (specifically west coast - California), I can't give you a value for what it would be worth in Greece.   You will need to check with an appraiser, antique dealer, etc. to get a better idea, or to compare it with similar containers in your area.

The problem with the majority of "similar" containers in the UK, is that they are all virtually the same.   During the mid to late 1800's, there were dozen's of safe makers in four British cities.   With the exception of the plaques, handles and locks, these safes are almost identical.   Due to the volume (numbers) of these safes which were made, the price is much lower in the UK and areas of export, than in places where they are much fewer.

Generally these containers are going for around 150-200 British Pounds in the UK (around $240-$320 US).   In the US and/or areas where many fewer are found, the price could easily be doubled.

One unique item about your container, is that the drawers are mounted 1/2 way up the safe, as opposed to the majority of similar safes with the drawers mounted in the bottom.

NOTE:   This container meets NO standards for fire or burglary resistance, and should NOT be used for overnight storage of cash, jewelry or valuable documents.   This is basically a collectible display item.

In order to answer specific questions, identify, evaluate or appraise your safe, I'm going to need photos.  They should include full exterior and interior.  Detail photos should include pictures of the dial, handles, hinges, artwork, locks, bolt work, castors, cabinetry and any special details or damage.  Note:  You may have to remove the back panel on the door to gain access to the lock & bolt work – I will need these pics.
If you have a particular detail that you have a question about, I will need a photo of it along with your question.

I will also need to see any documentation that you have in regards to your safe.  If your safe has a unique historical perspective, you should be able to document this with letters, newspaper articles or photos, if not it is simply a story and will have no bearing on the value of your safe.

Please use as high a resolution as possible so that I can examine details of your safe.  Pictures which are low resolution, out of focus, or from a distance don’t help when we try to evaluate the container.  Note:  with higher resolution, you may only be able to send 2-4 pictures per email, depending on the size of the file, I have a 10mb limit per email.  If photos are larger than 2mb each, you may only be able to send 2 or 3 photos per email, requiring several emails.  Please don’t send me “cell phone” photos.

Please send all of the requested photos to:

Note:  As I am in the field several days each week, covering a huge service area, I may not get back to your photos immediately, but I will respond as soon as I get an opportunity.  Due to field work, emails may tend to get backed up which means I may not answer them immediately.

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)


Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.


44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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