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Hello I am a locksmith in Billings Mt and am going to look at a safe tomorrow 45 miles out of town.  Lady says she has the combo but can not open the safe.  I will first try to open safe with combo, but if we can not open this safe, what info would you need to be able to give me possible drill points or what are our options.  

Thank you Doug


While I appreciate the fact that you are trying to obtain as much info as possible before driving a distance to work on the safe, you have to understand that I have no way of telling who you are or that you are even authorized to work on the safe.   Even if you provided me with a license and registration, I still would not pass on any information concerning drilling safes, or drill points on an open forum like this.

The information is not secure between just you and me, but is open for anyone to read.   Even if you contacted me directly at my shop, the answer would still be the same.   For obvious security and liability reasons we NEVER give out any drilling or opening information other than the proper dialing sequence for the installed lock.

There are several organizations which I recommend that have the capability of checking out their members in advance, specifically for circumstances like this, so that you have someone to call with questions concerning a particular safe or lock, and or recommended opening techniques.   Unfortunately I don't think you have the time to join either of them before going out.   However I think its important for you to have their information.

National Safeman's Organization (NSO)

Dave is available to answer members questions about safes, and has published many books which could help you out.

Safe & Vault Technicians Association (SAVTA)

Besides having tech bulletines to help, SAVTA has a tech hotline for you to call for info.

Sorry, that I can't help you with further information, but i'm sure that you understand why.

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)


Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.


44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

Safecrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association

The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes

Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

Awards and Honors
2009 - 2015 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service area is Northern California - Fresno to Oregon, including western Nevada

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