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Mr. Andreason,

I have a Mosler Bahmann safe that has been in the house for ages. We haven't locked it for many years, but do keep important papers in it. A few days ago my 2 year old grandson locked it and spun the dial. I used to have a piece of paper with the instructions, but can't locate it now. However, I do know what numbers are in the combination, because someone had the foresight to almost imperceptibly scrape the enamel from the tick marks of the combination numbers. (This was noticed by my eldest son, and as soon as he told me the numbers, I recognized them.) Alas, I do not recall with any certainty the direction or number of turns. The safe is 22.75" W x 23" D x 27.75" H plus 5.25" height for wheels and wheel brackets. The dial is numbered to 50 but there is an empty space between 50 and the first tick. The dial is mounted just to the right and above the center of the door. There is a T-handle between the dial and the left of the door. "5056" is stamped into the handle.

My question is, when entering the combination, what direction, number of turns, etc.? I truly appreciate any assistance you can offer. I uploaded a picture to but it's not the best quality. If you need a better picture, I can probably do that.



Mosler, Bahmann safes used a number of different locks on their safes.

based on the photo of the safe you referenced, I would assume that it might have an S&G C66, three wheel, rotary bolt lock.   The dialing sequence should be:

4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right until the dial stops (around 80).

If you have an extra number in your "set", you may have the C62, four wheel, rotary bolt lock.

NOTE:  Left is counter clockwise, right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the individual number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.

If this doesn't work, I'll need better information and photos (close up of the dial), and the numbers that you have which you believe are correct.

You can send the photos to me at:    don't forget to remind me what you are requesting.  As I get 30 to 50 similar emails every day, I can't remember each one.

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