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I have a phillips and son safe double door its been broken into and is knackerd- i do have a photo of it-but not sure how to send it il av a go! all i need to now is how much it weighs so i can scrap it.-its in the Eagles hotel LLanrwst-North Wales-no im not stealing it!!

Hello Richard,

Thanks for battling with technology - I received your picture OK. I have copies of the original literature on Phillips safes but although they give dimensions and prices, they don't give weights.  So, I can only make a guestimate.  The space between the inner and outer bodies will be filled with sand and sawdust, which will weigh a considerable amount.  You don't give me any sizes but it looks to be over 50" tall so I would expect it to weigh at least 1 ton.  If you want detail of safe removal companies in your area, let me know and I will recommend someone.

I can understanding it being knackered, I would feel the same way if I was over 100 years old.  Glad to hear you aren't going to run off with it.


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I earn my living identifying safes and suggesting cash limits for risk advisors and insurance surveyors in the UK. I'm am pleased to comment on safes manufactured in the UK or Mainland Europe but I am unable to accept questions regarding safes made in the USA or elsewhere.


I have been in the UK safe industry for 40 years and have one of the largest archive databases of old safe literature and serial numbers in the country. I started with Chubb in 1960 and became Assistant Manager of their Bank Security Division before moving on to become the Insurance Liaison Manager with the John Tann Group. I became Sales & Marketing Director for Guardian Safes Limited before semi-retiring. I am a Fellow of the Security Institute and ex-Chairman of Eurosafe UK, a trade body representing the interests of UK safe makers and distributors. I now work as a part time consultant.

I am an advisor to the Safe Committee of the Association of Insurance Surveyors, a Fellow of the Security Institute and founding Chairman of Eurosafe UK.

I have had literally scores of articles published in various security trade publications. So far this year I have had 24 features published in various journals including Keyways, Professional Security, Pawnbroker and Safe India. I have published one book, Peckham Boy, the life and times of the world's greatest safe cracker.

No relevant educational credentials.

Awards and Honors
In 1997 I was awarded the annual shield by the Association of Insurance Surveyors for "..outstanding services to crime prevention"

Past/Present Clients
I have represented or been an agent for the John Tann Group (Stratford, Ratner, Dreadnought and Tann safes); Churchill Safes, Chubb Safe Co Ltd, SLS Safes, SMP Safes, Dudley Safes and several others

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