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I recently move the safe out of an old building. The door is open and everything appears to be in tack the tag on the inside say Jan 17 1922          I was wondering if I can put a new combo in or is there a way to find the combo since the door is open.
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Jeff,

Yes the lock can be either reset or the original combination recovered.    I do not recommend this as a DIY project for the same reason that I never recommend using locksmiths for safe work.    As either recovery or resetting of the lock on this safe WILL require a good deal of disassembly, lack of training and knowledge can easily result in an expensive lock out.

My recommendation is to have a trained safe technician, from a local safe company, check it out, inspect and service the lock (probably hasn't been serviced since it was new), and reset or recover the combination.  Ensure that everything operates correctly, and shows you how to operate it.

As far as the "date" on the manufacturer's name "plaque", this was the "PATENT issue date", and NOT the manufactured date.    Patents were issued for periods of up to 20 years, and could be used by manufacturers for even longer periods if they were still referencing THAT item and/or patent.   So your safe would have been built AFTER that date and up to the early 1940's.   Unfortunately there are no manufacturers records available which indicate dates of manufacture by serial number, so the best we can do is to estimate the dates by known items, patent dates, etc. etc.

If you don't have a local safe company, let me know where you (and/or the safe) are located (zipcode), and I'll see who I might know or recommend, in your area.  

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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