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We purchased a home that has an old safe and were fortunate enough to get the 4 digit combo from the previous family.  From what I have seen from other answers I am guessing it's a Victor?  Anyway, the safe does not have a lever, only a dial and I have not been able to open it with the combo.  I was told the combo was R-L-R-L and I have found other questions you've answered to help me dial it correctly.  Do I just pull when I get to the last number?  Do I have to go back to zero?  Also, it's in the basement so it is a tad rusty.  Do you think it could be rusted shut?  Thanks for your help.


Yes this safe is a Victor Safe & Lock Company, safe.

Unfortunately people tend to pass on combinations the way that "THEY" understand them, and NOT necessarily the way they actually work.   Generally this stems from the fact that people simply do not understand their lefts from their rights.

In this case the combo sequence that you have been given was reversed, and should be LRLR.   This safe does not have a "handle", the dial acts as both.   During the final turn, the dial/lock will retract the bolt work so that the door can be opened.

the dialing sequence should be:
4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right until the dial stops - pull the door open.

If the dial does not come to a complete stop, then you may not have the correct combination, or are making a dialing error.   If the dial comes to a stop but the door doesn't pull open, you either have not retracted the lock bolt far enough, or the door may be rusted shut.   There should be a slight amount of play (wiggle) in the door.

NOTE:  Left is counter clockwise, Right is clockwise.  DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the INDIVIDUAL number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.   For instance if your first number is 50, you would turn the dial counter clockwise (left), stopping the fourth time the number 50 arrives at the index mark.

If it still won't open, then you probably need to have a safe technician from a local safe company check it out.   NOTE:  I NEVER recommend using locksmiths as they generally do not have the training, knowledge or tools to work on safes, especially older, possibly antique safes.

Hope this helps,

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