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I read your answer to a question about this type of safe and decided to do some restoration to mine. I wanted to get to the lock works to maybe have a good key made. ( The key we got with the safe was misplaced, fortunately, I had made a crude back-up which works after a lengthy, agonizing, and sometimes many attempts.) When I removed the back from the door, I found refractory. Should I remove this or will it devalue the safe? I can send more pics to your e-mail.

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Dan,

If you have a "back up key" I would recommend using it to have a new key made.   You will need a good safe man, familiar with making keys for antique safes.

While you can remove the insulation material or mortar to get access to the lock, this isn't an easy task to remove or to repair, but it will allow you to make an exact key that will operate the lock with no problems.

While you have the lock out and disassembled, I would service it.   Remove any rust and polish the metal, before lubricating.   It probably hasn't had service since it was built, and probably won't again.

When you rebuild the door, I would recommend building in a "service portal", so that future work or service will NOT require the insulation removal.

As long as the work you do returns the safe to original or close to original, and does not exterior damage, it shouldn't affect the value.

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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