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In several or your posts you have referenced the link http://www.glswrk-auction.com/mc05.htm

as a source of info on the Mosler Bahmann history. In this link there are 3 pictures of a double door safe in mint condition.  My question is how much woud that safe be worth.  I pose the question this way because this is a safe that you are familiar with and know its condition and history better than one that I sent pictures of.

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Jason,

First rule - don't compare your safe to another and think that they have the same history, and/or condition and therefore the same value.   While I would be more than happy to evaluate your safe, I'm not going to evaluate a safe that I don't have all of the necessary photos that I require.

As far as the link, the link is referred to for informational reference to Mr. Warner who sold safes between 1870 to around 1879.  As far as my referencing this site, I actually rarely ever reference it as unfortunately this page has a lot of misinformation concerning Mosler-Bahmann & Company and the Mosler Safe company.   These were NOT the same companies at all.
They also incorrectly list that because "THEY" only know of a couple safes that have Warner's name on them, that these safes are exceedingly rare.   It was purported that Warner had sold over 60,000 safes between 1870 to 1879.   This number is more likely an "exaggeration" on someone's part as this would translate to his having sold 20 safes a day EVERY day for this 9 year period.

In order to evaluate or appraise a safe, the photos I require include full exterior and interior.  Detail photos should include pictures of the dial, handles, hinges, artwork, locks, bolt work, castors, cabinetry and any special details or damage.   As well as any items that you have a question about.

The photos on the site you mention, do NOT provide me with the necessary level of clarity to examine it in detail.

As far as "its" history, other than the current owners, the article mentions no other history.

While I'm more than happy to oblige you and look at your safe I will need photos.   I'm not sure what photos that you reference having sent to me.   As I do approximately a dozen informal evaluations every day, I can't possibly remember everyone.   Sorry.   If you have sent me previous photos, I would be more than happy to look at them again, but I'm going to need a better reference to go on.  

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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Safecrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association

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Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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2009 - 2015 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service area is Northern California - Fresno to Oregon, including western Nevada

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