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I'm trying to open a OLD Alpine safe, T handle number 50110 with a silver dial which has only 50 numbers and no 0. If I apply pressure to t-handle the dial binds at 30, 40 and 50 as well as 7 and 22. I've looked in a few books for information yet nothing of any help so here I am writing to you for some guidance. Thanks in advance.

Sorry, but other than giving you the proper dialing sequence for the safe, we do not provide ANY opening information, for obvious security and liability reasons.   We have no way of telling who you are, and/or what your authorization to work on the safe is.

Alpine safes had both three wheel and four wheel versions, dialing sequences could be run both LRLR or RLRL, and resulted in TWO different combinations, depending on the direction for dialing.    Without knowing how many wheels your lock has, you are simply guessing on the dialing sequence.   If I had to guess, I would say it is probably a three wheel lock.

Four wheel locks:

4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right stopping on the fourth number - turn the handle to open.

if this doesn't work, reverse the sequence or RLRL vs LRLR.

Three wheel locks:

3 times left to the first number,
2 times right to the second number,
1 time left to the third number - turn handle to open.

If this doesn't work, reverse the sequence or RLR vs LRL.

Note:   Left is counter clockwise, Right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the revolutions of the dial, count the INDIVIDUAL number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.

If you made a spreadsheet, with three wheels and a 50 number dial, you would have about 125,000 possible combinations to try.   if you tried every other number, this would only be about 15,625 possible combinations to try - probably close enough to get it open.

Hope this helps,

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