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Diebold Fire Safe
Diebold Fire Safe  

Inside of door
Inside of door  
Hi Andy:

I would like to know the approximate date of manufacture of the Diebold safe that my great-grandfather owned and passed down to his son, my grandfather.  

The information I have is as follows:
Spec F1-D, Serial number 1Y308143
Concrete inside door is stamped 1912 40.

The safe door was open.  I decoded the combination from the wheelpack, because it is unlikely that anyone can find the combination in the massive amount of records my grandfather left behind.

There is a key-locked door inside the safe.  No one has the key for that.  I am guessing it is a lever-type lock.  Do you have suggestions on opening it non-destructively?

Thanks, Austin

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Hi Austin,

Your safe is from the late 1940's or early 1950's.   The lock on the safe is probably the Diebold series 900.

The key lock on the inner door is held on by two screws, which you can possibly see on the front of the door.   If you try to drill the screws out with a small drill bit, they may actually back out, releasing the lock.   If they don't back out, then simply drill them out, and retap the holes, replacing the screws later.

The lock can then be taken to a local safe company or locksmith shop to have a key made.

Hope this helps,

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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2009 - 2015 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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