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I demolition buildings and came across this walk in safe manufactured by Harring Hall Marvin and was curious as to the year it was made.It has 2 tags on it, one is a SMNA tag with spec F4, cat no. 6 3 and  13Y3699 on it.The other is a Underwriters Laboratories Inc. inspection tag with group 1  no# 185552 on it.I hope this is enough info.It consists of the door and door jam and must have at least 10 coats of paint on it.I didnt want to scrap it if it would be of interest or value to someone.Thank you for your time.


While HHM was in business from 1892 until they were acquired by Diebold during a bankruptcy in 1959 and subsequently shut down in the early 1960's, you do have some info on the safe that helps.   SMNA only tested and labeled safes and vault doors from about 1926 until the early 1960's.   While UL did start testing and labeling safes as early as 1914, many manufacturers were slow to utilize them.   HHM didn't start until the 1930's.

based on the photos you've provided, and the style of the dials and handles, etc.   This door would have been made during the late 1940's through the mid 1950's.

This is a fire door and not a burglary resistive door, rated for 1 hour of fire resistance.

Basically these doors have little commercial or retail value as they do not meet any current standards for fire resistance.   Chances are most of the insulation has severely cracked over the years.  Also, there are no repair or replacement parts available.
These doors also have little scrap value as there is very little actual metal in the doors, it is mostly mortar or gypsum type insulation.

this doesn't mean that the door has NO value, if it is in working condition, someone might want a door like this at home for a secure room.   But it would depend on its condition.
Items like this have no collectible value, and are not of any historical significance.

Sorry wish the news was better.  

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