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I have recently aquired a john tann safe, it is relatively old and has been passed through generations of a jewellers, they have had it in the family since 1963 however have no knowledge of the safes whereabouts or any information before it came into the families possession. I was simply wondering whether there was anyway of finding out a more accurate date of when it was made or its original manafacture area. There is several layers of paint on the safe itself and the only information i can make out is a 'tag' over the key hole which states;
Newgate street
Other than that i have no further information, any help would be greatly appreciated
Many thanks sarah.

Hello Sarah,

This is a very nice looking John Tann safe.    while it may have been owned by "generations of jewelers" this is NOT a jewelers safe and it is NOT a burglary resistive container.

While it may have provided a small measure of burglary protection 150 years ago, it was designed as a fire resistive container.

There is a good website that has some great info about this manufacturer that I would recommend your reading.

unfortunately serial numbers were not as important in those days as they were later on.   if you had a problem, the manufacturer would simply take care of the problem.    Manufacturers had pride in the work that they did and in their products.    Warranties were not necessary because of the makers sense of pride.

If they used serial numbers (and many did), it was simply to account for the numbers that were made, and/or to have a reference of how a particular safe might have been made.

As far as "accurate dates of manufacture", the best we can do is to ball park it based on known information.    In this case By 1888 the Tann City office had moved to 11 Newgate Street, and by 1900 the factory had also moved to St.Stephen's Road, Old Ford.  With the construction of the Old Bailey on the site of Newgate Prison, the offices had to move again in 1912, but only across the street to number 117.

So based on this info, your safe would have been constructed some time between 1888 to 1912.

I'm not sure what other info that you are looking for, but hopefully the web page will give you some great info about the manufacturer.

Hopefully this helps.  

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