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QUESTION: I have a Hall's Safe & Lock Co. Safe , serial #78685. Am I correct in guessing that it was built approx. 1877 ? From checking some of your other answers to people , I think it was painted by John Hauser. Did he paint batches of safes with the same picture during a regular work day or how were the pictures  chosen. Is there a collection of samples of his safe artwork somewhere ?

ANSWER: Norman,

Yes you are correct in that this safe was possibly manufactured around 1877-1878.   And yes there is a really good chance that the art work on this container was done by John Hauser.   You can check with the John Hauser Project to have the painting verified.   Their contact info is:

John Hauser Project
www.johnhauserproject.com
Edward P. Harris
epharris@cinci.rr.com

Mr. Harris would possibly love to see the art work to verify it.

Unfortunately I can't answer the question concerning whether or not he painted batches of safes with the same art work or not, as there are no records to check this with, and unfortunately, not enough examples of his work (numbers of available safes) to come up with a conclusion one way or the other.

Hopefully this helps.   If you have any other questions about your safe, I would be happy to answer them for you.


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QUESTION: Thanks for your time to answer my first question. Attached are 2 pictures. The first is a picture of the back of the inside door cover that covers the lock assembly. Can you guess at what it might say ? I can see that part of it is the ser # , but I don't know what the rest might mean . The second picture is of the lock mechanism after the lock wheel assembly is removed . The small lever that is in the picture has a threaded hole in the end of it . What is the purpose of that hole ? Is there suppose to be a screw in it ?

ANSWER: Norman,

Sorry, but I can only give you a partial answer.   While the lower numbers are the serial number of the safe, I can only speculate about the upper info, as there are no records to tell us what this is or was.

I've looked at a lot of similar back covers, and none are the same which would indicate that it may simply be a "tag", and not actually related to the safe.   Some of them appear to be initials, which may have been one of the workers way of telling what safes he worked on.   The number may be the quantity.

The numbers on the upper left appear to be "94", which may represent the number of safes in a week, in a month, out of a batch, or by that particular worker.

The lettering on the left may be someone's initials, or some other designation.


Yes, the drive wheel and dial spindle need this screw, it is basically similar to a key way on a shaft that mates a wheel to an arbor.
The screw maintains alignment, so that what ever happens on the outside (the dial) is transmitted to the inside (drive wheel).
without the screw the drive wheel can unscrew from the spindle and become detached.

Hope this helps,


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QUESTION: Thanks for the response. Sorry , but what I was referring to in the second picture , was the screw hole in the lever on the lower right hand side of the area where the lock wheel assembly would fit in . The lever is attached some how to the door lock pins.When the lock assembly is installed , this lever sits against the wheel assembly . It has a threaded hole in the end of it , but no screw. Is there supposed to be a screw in it.

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Norman,

Sorry, my mistake.   

No there is not supposed to be a screw in this lever arm.   This is actually the relocking device, and it "rests" against the wheel curb, when it is installed.

This lever pivots up and down (gravity), to block the movement of the bolt work, if the lock is attacked.

Note:  If it (and the lock) is not assembled correctly then the bolt work WILL NOT retract correctly, which may result in a lock out if the door is closed.

Hope this helps,  

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