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Hi,
We recently moved into a house with a floor safe that i would like to identify and have a cash value rating to see if it would be acceptable to insurance companies.  It is a three code combination dial.  The safe is a Sargent & Greenleaf, INC.  I belive it was installed in about 1985 though the instructions suggest it was available from 1977 which also help narrow it down to one of 8 models.  There is a sticker on inside which as far as i can see is the only identifying feature.  I would be grateful for any assistance in how to identify the model and gain a cash value rating.

Many thanks.

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Christian,

Generally insurance companies don't request ratings unless you are insuring large dollar values of valuables, jewelry, etc. and then "THEY" will dictate the rating that THEY will require, based on the RISK that THEY are willing to maintain.

Safes which are built in to floors generally to not have ratings which apply to "RISKS" insurance companies are willing to except.

Having an installed safe in your house, MAY make you eligible for a "discount" in your insurance, but it would NOT be a rating that they would require.

Generally safes built into the floor are "BASIC" burglary resistance - meaning MINIMUM resistance, in that the safe can not "walk away", however because of the limits in the size, weight and protection level of the door, these containers, again, barely meet minimum standards.

As far as the information that you have provided - you haven't given me ANY information about the safe - ONLY the lock, which could be installed on any of 10,000 types of safes - so I have no idea of whether this is on a wooden cabinet or the space shuttle.

So at this point I have TWO recommendations for you -

FIRST:   contact your insurance company to discuss the "VALUABLES" that YOU are interested in storing or insuring, so that THEY can assign the "RISK" that THEY are willing to accept, and so, tell you WHAT the MINIMUM level of protection that THEY will require for this policy to be enforce.

SECOND:   Send me photos of the safe  so that I can see exactly what you have, to determine what standards the container might meet.   In order to do this I will need photos of the exterior of the safe, the interior of the safe, the thickness of the door, and ALL labels on the door.   You might as well include the photos of the lock that you have placed here, as by the time I see your email I will have forgotten this question.

Send the photos along with your request to my email at:   andy@securitysafeusa.com, and I'll see what I can come up with for you.

Note:   I have capitalized various words above for dramatic effect and to emphasize concepts.   this is one of those times where what YOU want may not matter, as the insurance company will be the dictating force above.    Some of the statements may not be what YOU want to hear, however just like in life, you don't get to make the rules up, you just get to play the game.

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Terry V. Andreasen (Andy)

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

Experience

44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

Organizations
Safecrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association

Publications
The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes AllExperts.com

Education/Credentials
Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

Awards and Honors
2009 - 2015 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

Past/Present Clients
US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service area is Northern California - Fresno to Oregon, including western Nevada

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