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Ratner bank safe
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Ratner bank safe
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Hi Mike. We have had our beautiful Ratner bank safe restored and would like your expertise to find out the history and value of it please.

Hello Gary,

This looks like a late 1930's or earl 1940's Ratner 12 corner bent safe.  It has two Sargent & Greenleaf combinations with dial check locks so in its day it was a high spec safe.

I can't see the door thickness or the bolt-work and there's no serial number which makes it impossible to determinne the precise age or model.

If you could send me another picture with the door open showing the door thickness and the boltwork,I should be able to tell you more.  A serial number may help although all the Ratner registers were 'lost' some years ago.  If it helps, you can send additional pictures direct to

One thing I probably won't be able to help you with is the value.  In the UK these big old safes are very difficult to sell so reconditioned safe specialists would give you very little.  However, I would expect the market in Australia to be very different.


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I earn my living identifying safes and suggesting cash limits for risk advisors and insurance surveyors in the UK. I'm am pleased to comment on safes manufactured in the UK or Mainland Europe but I am unable to accept questions regarding safes made in the USA or elsewhere.


I have been in the UK safe industry for 40 years and have one of the largest archive databases of old safe literature and serial numbers in the country. I started with Chubb in 1960 and became Assistant Manager of their Bank Security Division before moving on to become the Insurance Liaison Manager with the John Tann Group. I became Sales & Marketing Director for Guardian Safes Limited before semi-retiring. I am a Fellow of the Security Institute and ex-Chairman of Eurosafe UK, a trade body representing the interests of UK safe makers and distributors. I now work as a part time consultant.

I am an advisor to the Safe Committee of the Association of Insurance Surveyors, a Fellow of the Security Institute and founding Chairman of Eurosafe UK.

I have had literally scores of articles published in various security trade publications. So far this year I have had 24 features published in various journals including Keyways, Professional Security, Pawnbroker and Safe India. I have published one book, Peckham Boy, the life and times of the world's greatest safe cracker.

No relevant educational credentials.

Awards and Honors
In 1997 I was awarded the annual shield by the Association of Insurance Surveyors for "..outstanding services to crime prevention"

Past/Present Clients
I have represented or been an agent for the John Tann Group (Stratford, Ratner, Dreadnought and Tann safes); Churchill Safes, Chubb Safe Co Ltd, SLS Safes, SMP Safes, Dudley Safes and several others

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