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Hi Mike, I have a T. Withers & Son Safe similar to the one Mark bought in Thailand.It has two lockable drawers inside and is Fireproof but one key hole.I use it for cash and valuables. I was not aware that there could be an issue with Insurance. Is that because it is antique? It has four locking lugs in the 6mm steel plate door and is bolted to my Garage wall and Garage is locked and alarmed and I have two roving GSP dogs. What  do you think It's value may be in NZ Dollar? It weighs about a Ton.   Michael.

Hello Michael,

Thomas Withers made safes for many years and produced many different models.  To comment further on your safe I would need a couple of pictures; one with the door shut showing the entire front of the safe and one with the door open showing the door thickness and bolt-work.  If it is easier, you can send them directly to


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I earn my living identifying safes and suggesting cash limits for risk advisors and insurance surveyors in the UK. I'm am pleased to comment on safes manufactured in the UK or Mainland Europe but I am unable to accept questions regarding safes made in the USA or elsewhere.


I have been in the UK safe industry for 40 years and have one of the largest archive databases of old safe literature and serial numbers in the country. I started with Chubb in 1960 and became Assistant Manager of their Bank Security Division before moving on to become the Insurance Liaison Manager with the John Tann Group. I became Sales & Marketing Director for Guardian Safes Limited before semi-retiring. I am a Fellow of the Security Institute and ex-Chairman of Eurosafe UK, a trade body representing the interests of UK safe makers and distributors. I now work as a part time consultant.

I am an advisor to the Safe Committee of the Association of Insurance Surveyors, a Fellow of the Security Institute and founding Chairman of Eurosafe UK.

I have had literally scores of articles published in various security trade publications. So far this year I have had 24 features published in various journals including Keyways, Professional Security, Pawnbroker and Safe India. I have published one book, Peckham Boy, the life and times of the world's greatest safe cracker.

No relevant educational credentials.

Awards and Honors
In 1997 I was awarded the annual shield by the Association of Insurance Surveyors for "..outstanding services to crime prevention"

Past/Present Clients
I have represented or been an agent for the John Tann Group (Stratford, Ratner, Dreadnought and Tann safes); Churchill Safes, Chubb Safe Co Ltd, SLS Safes, SMP Safes, Dudley Safes and several others

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