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I bought an old Victor, see pictures. I know nothing about it.
Serial number on the dial is either 150877 or 160977 - hard to tell if its a 5 or 6.

I'd like to know it's approximate age, but more importantly I'm looking to replace the missing acorn on the bottom hinge. Also, do you know why there's a "21" crudely painted inside the door near the lock?

Any help is appreciated!

David Zbin

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Hi David,

The serial number is 150877.    The safe was made during the early 1900’s prior to 1905.

There are no replacement parts available, which means that you will either have to find a similar safe to use for donor parts, or have new finial’s (acorns) made for your safe.    I recommend making 4 new ones at the same time so they match.    Save the old ones as they are original.       While I do have some old Acorns, I don’t have any of these little guys.
If you don’t have a machinist that you can use, I can have them made for you, however machine shops don’t like to make “small quantity” parts.    They would rather make 1000 items than 1 or 2.    Generally you are looking at between about $125 to $200 per acorn to have them made.    Time and material chosen – polished Stainless is my favorite.

As far as the number “21” -  your safe wouldn’t get its serial number until AFTER it was built.    That’s a “last thing” item.    In the mean time when they are building the safes they might have anywhere from 10 to 50 safes being built at a time.    As it moves through the assembly process, they need to be able to keep items built for certain safes “coded” to make it to the correct safe.    This is called a “build number”!    So your safe would have been “build #21” of what ever lot of safes that were being done during that day, week or month.

Hope this helps,

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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