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Hi Terry, We are a group of 8th graders working on a project to open a victor safe. It is a old Victor safe and we want to open the safe without damaging it. I will attach a few images. Thank you for your help and time!

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Hi John,

Unfortunately, for security and liability reasons, we can't give you ANY information on opening safes other than the correct dialing sequence for the lock installed.

Victor Safe & Lock Company manufactured their own locks, but they were a three wheel lock (3 combination wheels and a drive wheel).    While the locks are NOT capable of utilizing all of the possible 1,000,000 test combinations, there is no way of telling from the outside what the variations would be - meaning that you are going to have to test dial most or all of them to open it.

The correct dialing sequence for the lock installed on this safe is:

4 times left to the first number,
3 times right to the second number,
2 times left to the third number,
1 time right until the dial stops -  should be around 70.

Note:   Left is counter clockwise and Right is clockwise.   Don't count the revolutions of the dial, count the individual number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.

For instance, if your first number is 50 - start turning counter clockwise (left), stopping the FOURTH time the number 50 arrives at the index.


You can set up a spreadsheet with ALL of the possible test combinations so that you can check them off after dialing them - HOWEVER, dialing 500 each day will take about 5.5 years to dial them all.

You can cut the time down by skipping every other number, which would give you about 125,000 test combinations.   Testing 500 combinations every day, would take a little less than a year.    While you are cutting down on the test combo's and the time, you are introducing a small amount of error, so even if you are close, it may not open.

I'm glad to see that you are interested in doing this - this is exactly the same thing that got me interested in this trade over 43 years ago.

Hope I've helped start you off in the right direction to getting this old safe open.

While there is a "bunch" of info on the internet - most of it is worthless, but entertaining.   You can check out:    http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-safety/security/combina
For a basic idea of how a safe lock operates, so you understand the dialing sequence better, as long as you understand that the locks shown in most of the videos are NOT the lock that you are working with.    The basic operations are similar enough though, that you can learn its operation and/or dialing sequence.

Hope this helps,

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

Experience

44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

Organizations
Safecrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association

Publications
The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes AllExperts.com

Education/Credentials
Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

Awards and Honors
2009 - 2015 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service area is Northern California - Fresno to Oregon, including western Nevada

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