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I just bought a old victor safe. The locking device is a yale tumbler.Numbers on safe are  Locking Device # 139699  Cat # 2560B   Safe # 291510  Not sure what this # is 1Y72445 I would like to restore this safe. Need to know if I can remove the hinge pins and change the combination

Hi Brent,

There were basically TWO Victor safe companies.   The first - Victor Safe & Lock Co., was in business from about 1885 until it was acquired by The Safe Cabinet Company in 1920.    The name was changed to Victor Safe & Equipment Company.    Both companies were acquired by Rand-Kardex in 1925.    Rand-Kardex merged with the Remington Typewriter Company in 1926 and the name was changed to Remington-Rand.    After a merger in 1955 with the Sperry Corporation, to become Sperry-Rand, all manufacturing of safes was ceased.

The numbers you have provided off the labels or tags on the safe have nothing to do with the safe itself, other than to indicate the "standards" the safe met.   These are either UL or SMNA labels from testing agencies.

While the door can be removed from the hinges, the pins may be pressed in place and may not be removable.   Without actually seeing the hinges (hands on), I can't tell you if they are removable or not.    You will have to determine whether or not they are pressed on, or part of the supporting hinge.

Yes the combination can be changed on the Yale lock, however as this is a "hand change" type lock, and will require complete disassembly I do not recommend it as a DIY project for the same reason that I don't recommend using locksmiths for safe work.   Lack of training, knowledge and/or tools can result in a very expensive lockout.    I recommend that you have a safe technician from a local safe company reset or change the combination.

Hope this helps,

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