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Hello Andy, I was looking for any information on this safe co and maybe help with identification of the safe itself.  The only writing i can seem to find is on the front stamped into the metal. The lock is a Yale Combination with a T handle.

"The Walker Safe Co. Inc. 388 Broadway New York"  

It has been in my apartment sense the building was built, was told it was lifted in by forklift as I am on the second floor.  My landlord has no idea what the combination would be and has allowed me to try and open it!
Googling did not turn up much information, mostly ads/yellowpages from the early 1900's.

Thanks in advance for your help- Randall

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Hi Randall,

First off, you do not have a "Walker Safe Co." safe.    While this company may have sold the safe at some point, they were NOT a manufacturer.

Your safe appears to be from the Syracuse Safe Company, Syracuse, NY.   Syracuse Safe Co., manufactured safes from about 1885 to the early 1930's.   The company incorporated in 1904.   They used the Phoenix Foundry and Machine Company during the early 1900's to make safes.

Unfortunately we won't be able to accurately ID what you have until after the safe is opened as many of the photos I'll need to see would be from items inside the door and safe.

You might check with some local safe companies to get some idea of the cost to have the safe opened and repaired.   A fair price to have it opened and repaired, without damaging the safe or lock and to have the combination recovered would be in the $400 to $500 range - TOTAL cost.   

If you don't have a local safe company, let me know where you are located (zip code) and I'll see who I know in your area.

Note:   While manipulation is possible it may not be probable.   You may not have anyone in your area skilled in this art, and you WILL be paying for the service and not the result.   The lock that I would expect to find on this safe would be the Yale OB or OBB series.  Photos I checked showed both types.    The OB version was the 4 wheel lock and the OBB version was the three wheel type.
    Drilling is also a very viable option.   When done correctly it will NOT damage the safe or the lock and the single, small hole (usually smaller than 1/4" can easily be repaired  and returned to service, with no damage.

The dialing sequence for the three wheel version (most common) is:

4 times Left to the first number,
3 times Right to the second number,
2 times Left to the second number,
1 time, slowly right until the dial stops - Turn Handle to open.

Note 1:  Left is counter clockwise, Right is clockwise.   DO NOT count the rotations of the dial, count the individual number as it arrives at the 12 o'clock index mark.   For instance if your first number is 50, you will turn the dial counter clockwise (left), stopping the fourth time the number 50 arrives at the index mark.

At this point you have two options, either:
1.   Test dial all of the 1,000,000 possible combinations that may be on this lock, or
2.   Contact a local safe company to have their trained safe tech open the safe.

Hopefully this helps somewhat and gives you a starting point for getting the safe opened.    Afterwards you can get some restoration work done on it and have a wonderful display item or conversation piece.  

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Safe and Vault related Questions; Antique Safe Repair and Restoration; With over 44 years in the Safe & Vault industry, if I can't answer your question I know where to get the answer. Current Project: Restoration of an Ely Norris Cannonball Safe from the early 1900's. Will answer Safe & Vault related questions concerning age, value, restoration, moving, opening & repairing, parts, operation and history. Note: It is not my intention to teach you to open safes or to provide information which may aid in the unlawful opening of a safe. I will not give out drill points or information which I deem inappropriate.

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44 years in the Safe & Vault Industry. Owner and Service Manager for one of the largest Safe & Vault companies on the West Coast. Graduate of Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing, Safe lock Manipulation and Safe Deposit Lock Courses. Graduate of Locksmith Institute. Author of "The Coffee Table Guide to Antique Safes". Certified Instructor for the California Locksmith Association teaching Basic and Advanced Lock Servicing, Basic Safe opening and Repairing. Factory Trained by AMSEC, LORD Safes, LeFebure, Mosler, KabaMas, LaGard and Sargent & Greenleaf

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Safecrackers International and the National Antique Safe Association Safe & Vault Technicians Association

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Graduate of Locksmith Institute 1972 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Servicing 1974 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Lock Manipulation 1975 Graduate Lockmasters Safe Deposit Lock Servicing 1985 Instructor Certified - California Locksmith Association - 1985 Factory trained by AMSEC, MAJOR, STAR, Johnson-Pacific, Kaba-MAS, Allied-Gary, ISM, Lord, Brown Safe, EXL, Mosler, Diebold.

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2009 - 2015 Listed in AllExperts top 50 Experts. All Experts Categories - Safes & Security Containers, Locksmithing, Antique Safes. Retired US Army Chief Warrant Officer (CW4), with 39 years of total service. With numerous awards from Vietnam, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Navy - 1971-1981 US Army Reserve 1984-2013 US Army Retired

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US Secret Service, FBI, BATF, Local Law enforcment agencies, Diebold, Hamilton Pacific, Red Hawk Int., Chubb International, Bank of America, Wells Fargo Bank, Mechanics Bank, El Dorado Savings Bank, many Credit unions and smaller banks. McDonalds, Togos, BurgerKing, TacoBell, Carls Jr. FoodMaxx, SaveMart, Lucky's, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway, NobHill, Bell Markets, PW Markets. Great America, Century Theatres, Cinemark Theatres, UA Cinemas, and many homeowners and small businesses. Provide warranty service for lock and safe manufactures. Service area is Northern California - Fresno to Oregon, including western Nevada

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