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Hall safe inside
Hall safe inside  
The t handle on safe is bent and need to know how to get it off and
I need wheel pack for the back and don't know which one fits it
Thank you for any advise
Ps there is trim that goes around the door
Rosetts and trim

Hi Carl,

The date you are using is a "PATENT ISSUE" date, and NOT a manufacturing date.    As the locks used on this safe were used until their final days, the safe could have been made up to 1892 - don't make assumptions based on the patent dates.

As far as removing the handle, you have two choices.

1.  Remove the lock from the hole in the insulation, then you will be able to squeeze tools in to remove the square nut on the back of the handle shaft to remove the handle.    Reinstallation is going to be twice has hard.

2.  Remove the insulation mortar from the door to reveal the bolt work dam.    Carefully remove the dam as you will need it when you put everything back together.    After the dam has been removed you will have access to the bolt work and handle cam.   You will be able to remove the nut which secures the handle arbor to the cam and pull the handle from the door.

BE VERY CAREFUL in trying to straighten it.   Generally metal will only bend ONE time before breaking.   You will need to carefully heat it up to a point you can bend it WITHOUT stressing and breaking the handle.

Good luck.

As far as replacement wheel packs - sorry but these haven't been available for over 100 years.    There may be a few in someone's collection, however trying to get them to part with the lock is not going to be easy and/or cheap.     Second option would be to make the missing parts.     You will need to have access to a small machine shop (lathe and milling machine) or be VERY good with a drill press and hand tools.

I'm not sure what parts are missing, but I can possibly make them for you, if you don't have the capability for making it a DIY job, and/or if you don't have a friend with a machine shop.    Cost WILL be dependent on TIME and MATERIAL, and I WILL need the lock parts that you currently have to fit the new wheels to your lock.


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