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We acquired our 3 year old Great Pyrenees, Vinny, about 5 months ago. He is a great dog with a very gentle demeanor. He is a show champion and, as such is a very handsome guy. However, he has strong breath and his saliva has a sour smell. He allows me to do almost everything to groom him, even including trimming his toenails. But, he doesn't want to let me brush his teeth. I am not sure that the previous owner ever did brush his teeth. I am trying to ease him into it by rubbing my fingers on his teeth whenever I get a chance, hoping that he will eventually allow me to brush his teeth. My question is; is the sour saliva smell associated with the lack of dental hygiene, or could it be indicative of another health problem, such as a sour stomach and/or an intolerance for the current diet. We are feeding him one of the "best" commercial dog foods (Blue Life Protection Formula for Large Breeds). He is not what I would call a "chewer", and doesn't seem to enjoy chewing on the various bones in his toy box. We give him a Greenie once in a while, but I do not like rawhide chews because of their suspect origin and the fact that a big guy like Vinny can destroy even the biggest rawhide in a short time. I always worry about larger pieces of rawhide that get chewed off and swallowed becoming blockage possibilities. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Ken  

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You are right to be suspect of rawhide chews.Not only have dogs been poisoned by them but many have choked and suffocated on them.

Sour smelling saliva is a combination of lack of dental hygiene and possibly stomach contents. Most dogs have pretty serious dental disease by the age of two if their teeth are not brushed or cleaned at the vets. Gingivitis can cause the smell as well as periodontal disease. At age three this usually isn't advanced and can be reversed with proper care.

You are off to a good start by using your fingers in his mouth, but you can do one better by using a finger brush and some chicken flavored toothpaste for dogs at the same time. They love the taste of it!

Even dogs that have never had their teeth brushed are usually so caught up in the taste that they don't think about the brushing. We use CET toothpaste for dogs in the chicken flavor. It is safe for dogs to swallow while human toothpaste is not.

If his teeth have calculus (tartar)on them now however, you should have one good cleaning done at the vet's first. Your vet will do a professional dental prophylaxes which will clean under the gum line- something you cannot do with a brush. This will get him off to a good start.

Once that is done a home care routine is essential in maintaining oral health. There are also solutions that can be swabbed on or put into their water to help prevent calculus buildup.

There is also a dental diet available from Hill's that will prevent major dental diseases. I have personally seen it work on my worst dental patients, making their gums healthier and their teeth cleaner in between dental cleanings.

Blue Buffalo foods are okay but there is no calcium/phosphorus ratio listed on the bags and that is what gets the large breeds into trouble with their joints. It should be a percentage under .7 % so I would write to them if I were you and ask them.

Three year old Pyrenees are about 95% done growing but they have a longer, slow growth curve and too much calcium/phos ratio will cause problems.

So get your self a finger brush and toothpaste at the vets and schedule him an appointment for a good cleaning if his teeth (especially the upper back molars) look dirty.

You might want to try a nylabone for his teeth. They are flavored also and pretty indestructible. As long as he doesn't swallow it whole!  

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PLEASE READ BEFORE SUBMITTING TO ME: I am NOT a vet and do NOT diagnose diseases. That is only for a licensed Veterinarian to do. I will give you suggestions and steer you toward calling your vet for help. You can call the vet's office and talk to the technician there or the vet at times. Don't be afraid to call them! If you have a serious issue with your pet please post it to one of the veterinarians in here- I will tell you the same thing in my answer. IF your pet is injured or in an emergency situation, CALL YOUR VET- Do not wait and post in here. Just call the vet's office and get them in to see the vet right away. Critical treatment time is lost if you seek answers here when you should have your precious pet at the vets!! Don't sit at home waiting for an answer when your pet is critically ill or injured!! I can answer most questions about small animal and wildlife care as well as small animal nutrition. I can also answer questions about all phases of dental care for small animals. I DO NOT answer questions about birds (unless it is wildlife or songbirds) or HAMSTERS/GERBILS/CHINS/GUINEA PIGS/REPTILES/FROGS/RABBITS/PET BIRDS OF ANY KIND so please submit these questions to the appropriate sections. I, as well as other experts in here, do NOT do homework questions- that is for YOU to do! Please respect these rules for all of us. Thanks!

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I have over 35 years experience in the field of veterinary medicine. I specialized in small animals and did wildlife rehab for over 25 years, mostly raptors, squirrels and opossums. I am a Small Animal Nutritional Consultant with 6 certificates from Hills Pet Foods, CNM and Purina. I also specialized in Small Animal Dentistry which is a field I truly love.

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