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QUESTION: I want to bypass the ignition system with a key that has no chip. Is  this possible? A new key cost $150 with a limit of making new keys. i want the freedom of not worrying about losing the key with a computer chip.

ANSWER: Hello,

First off, you do not want to bypass. Truck gets stolen theft claim will be denied! I guaranty this will happen. Then you have to retain me and a lawyer to sue. Then depending on your state(Texas +Michigan and other states) you will wait 3 years and maybe get paid for the truck and legal fees. No punitive damages, damage to you reputation, investigators that told your neighbors and friends that you are a suspect in a fraud investigation.

Do you really want that because you bypassed Ford's anti theft system?  It's bad enough if the truck gets stolen with the active pats.

By the way, every friggen manufacturer has lied (used to be softer and say misreprsent) and that such systems are not anti theft. These systems as you represent are a pain for the owners.  These systems do not stop theft!!
These systems will not stop theft.

If you are paying that much for a key, they are stealing from you! Ford does not make locks and keys. Strattec from Milwaukee or Huff. These locks and kays are exactly the same parts your local locksmith has.

For mor than half the price a locksmith can set you up.

Your vehicle should be capable of having 8 keys programmed.

Be very careful where you put keys for this truck. I already told you why you don't want this truck stolen.

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QUESTION: Thank you for your concerns but I really would like to know if the security system can be bypassed. Thank you...

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OK,

Now you give me a 1 rating and if you reviewed all the dialogue I had sent you, as I was writing I thought about how I could successfully address your issue on how to bypass your PATS, offered  not to charge you for the instructions, if you were to hold me harmless.

My last response to your problem as to how you wanted to bypass the system so you could have regular keys made for the van. What more do you want from me? What you want me to travel on my own dime to where the vehicle is located and bypass your PATS for free?

How dare you give me this rating!

I VOLUNTEER my knowledge to assist people with their problems they have with their vehicles. I do not get compensated and most people are very happy with the information I had given them and in many cases have saved them money and lots of trouble.

Occasionally, there is that person no matter what answer I give them is not good enough!
I feel insureds should be aware of the liability they have just owning a vehicle with a factory-installed anti-theft system. A majority of insureds don't realize how much their life can be turned upside down if the vehicle is stolen. Then couple the problem with bypassing this system, there are even more underlying issues.
Excuse me if I give this caveat and potential consequences to your actions of bypassing your PATS because of whatever goofy reasons of the cost of additional key replacement.

Your request is not normal. In fact, in the 9 years I have been answering questions, yours is the first I have seen for the reason given.

I attempt to be a problem solver for the questioners. Sometimes my answers are not understood on the anti-theft systems, not always because I am not clear, but because sometimes the questioner cannot grasp the concept or I am not giving the exact answer they want to here.

Sometimes I am thinking deeper into the problem while I write and don't have the time to remove the original answer. Such was the case in your situation. As I was writing telling you I did not think the bypass could be done originally and as writing figured out how to suit your needs, and offered to give you a solution to your problem at no cost, and you give me a 1 rating!

You sir, should be ashamed of yourself. Obviously, I will do nothing further to correspond with you. Good luck on getting someone to bypass your system and I guess you will have to pay your $150 per key.  

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My background in auto theft is extensive. I have been directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft recovered vehicles. I also do insurance investigation as to how a vehicle was last operated. My clients are insurance companies and attorneys. Was featured in the A & E auto theft documentary "Stealing Wheels" July 26, 2000. Has consulted with Daimler Chrysler steering column engineers to make their steering columns harder to defeat. Holds patent # 6,039,140 for 8 different variations to protect air bags from theft.

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ROB PAINTER, ASE, CFL, CFEI Forensic Vehicle Component Analyst Diplomate, Board Certified Forensic Examiner ASE Certified Auto, Collision, Med/Hvy/Duty Truck Technician Certified Forensic Locksmith Certified Fire and Explosion Investigator Certified Vehicle Fire Investigator Certified Forensic Auto Theft Examiner Certified Auto Theft and Fraud Expert http://www.autotheftexpert.com Email-rpainter@wi.rr.com P.O. Box 190 Big Bend, WI 53103 Phone (414) 698-9696 Fax (262) 662-1352 As per federal court rules of evidence (702) (Daubert) my testimony has qualified me as: Auto Theft and Fraud Expert Forensic Vehicle Analyst Fire Origin and Cause Expert In the trial transcript of Holiday vs Progressive Insurance Company (March 12, 2002?Eugene, Oregon) with Holiday being my client-named ?the expert for experts.? BUSINESS EXPERIENCE Founder of the ?Forensic Institute of Auto Theft Analysis? (January 2002). This is the training school that will set the standards in determining the last operation of a reported stolen vehicle-burned or unburned. Much of my testing and procedures have been accepted as the guide for the forensic community. 1986 opened Auto Recovery Specialists Inc., providing exclusive repair of theft recovered and vandalized vehicles. The initial concept of the business was to return vehicles to their original shape before the theft, vandalism or fire. In 1987 bought the rights to the theft deterrent known as the ?Chicago Collar?. Duties include complete component replacement: dash, stereo system, interior, locks and coding, rebuilding steering columns, repairing and installing vehicle security system components (factory and after market), engine components, body repair, glass replacement, repair and service of air conditioning components, brake and suspension repair, and replacement, wiring harnesses etc. to return vehicle to pre-theft condition Complete reconstruction. During the past 17 years directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft-recovered and fire damaged Personally examined and rebuilt thousands of steering columns on both import and domestic vehicles Internationally acknowledged as expert in auto theft including court, consulting with insurance companies, attorneys and law enforcement. Consultant on steering columns, locks, stereo systems and vehicle security for Special Investigation Units for many large insurance carriers during the past eight years. Consulting services include but not limited to: How a vehicle was last operated (with or without keys in burned or unburned vehicles), Origin and Cause of vehicle fires, and vehicle defects. Provides services as a consultant and researcher to attorneys and insurance companies, and private industry throughout the US in cases related to vehicles. Has worked with crime prevention officers throughout the US establishing training programs designed to protect the public from becoming victims of auto theft. PATENT: 3/21/00 issued patent# 6,039,140 for 8 different variations of airbag anti-theft devices. PUBLICATIONS Currently authors articles and test reports on an ongoing basis for SIUs and the forensic/vehicle fire industry. Published author: (1,297 slide training course) Auto Theft/ Fraud Training Course) ?The Modern Forensic Approach to Auto Theft Investigation.? (January, 2001) Author: ?Variables to Be Considered In Vehicle Fire Investigation after Suppression.? (Insurance publication-November 2001) Author: ?Ford Magnesium Steering Columns and the Results to Ignition Components after a Fire?. Article for peer review from the fire and forensic community. (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM VATS.? (Article) (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM PASSLOCK TM? (Article) (November 2001) Author:? Auto Theft Investigation: Hollywood vs. Reality? (Article) (February 2001) For the John Cooke Fraud Report. Published author: (Manual) ?Forensic Vehicle Fire/ Arson and Auto Theft Investigation? (October 2000) Published author: (Article) ?Petty Claims? for the John Cooke Fraud Report (October, 1998) Published author (Manual) ?AUTO THEFT: LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN!? (1998) (Previously distributed by Barnes & Nobel) Co-authored the investigation manual, ?Surreptitious Entry & Auto Theft & Burn & the Investigator.? (1999) Authored test questions on the subject of steering columns and vehicle security for CFL designation to be given by the International Association of Investigative Locksmiths. January, 2000 Published author: (Manual) ?Saginaw Steering Columns-What Has Not Been Told? Training manual for fire investigators. (March 2000) Published (Article) ?Beyond The Lock? (May 2000) Published Author: (Article) Fraud Defense Network-August, 2000 Edition-?Melting Steering Column Tests.? http://www.fraudreport.com/index.cfm?month=08&year=2000 Published author: (Test Report) ?Burned Toyota Steering Column Testing to Determine How Last Operated?. Tool marks and procedures. (December 1999) Currently at the FBI Crime Lab in Washington DC and the US Army Crime Lab in Atlanta, GA for peer review. ACCOMPLISHMENTS Defeated the ?unstealable? Ford Securilock transponder system for a court case 10/10/00. They said it could not be done! Primary designer of a state of the art ?bait? car for a police department to catch car thieves. Worked with The National Highway Safety Transportation Administration and discovered a potential fire hazard on a vehicle and determined origin and cause of under hood fires on this type of vehicle. Featured as ?Auto Theft Expert? in the A & E auto theft documentary ?Stealing Wheels? that aired July 26, 2000. Contacted by Sears and Edelman Marketing to be a national spokesman for an anti theft device for vehicles. (November 1999) Invited to provide evaluation and consulting to steering column engineers at Daimler Chrysler Corporation in Auburn Hills, MI (10/19/99-10/22/99). The purpose of this project was to demonstrate how steering column locking mechanisms could be defeated without the use of a key and how to reinforce the columns against theft. Court Qualified as an Auto Theft Expert and my videos of defeating columns were also accepted by a Cleveland, Ohio Court in October 1999 as a valid piece of evidence. Contacted by Disney Touchstone Pictures for technical assistance in making the movie ?Gone in 60 Seconds? (March 1999) CONSULTANT FOR FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ? Former contributor for The Insurance News Network (Auto theft and prevention) includes heading a forum for the public on how to protect their vehicles for 3+ years. ? Former editor and consultant for the public on matters involving auto theft and prevention 2000-2001 on the web at http://www.autotheft_forum.com. ? The Insurance Career Center (Auto theft and fraud). ? National Association of Investigative Specialists (Auto theft and fraud) ? Expert Find (Auto theft and fraud} TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE ? ASE (National Institute of Automotive Service Excellence) Certified in Auto: brakes, steering and suspension, engine repair, manual drive train and axles, air conditioning. Med/Heavy duty truck: gasoline engine repair, electrical/electronic components. Collision: elec.....

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