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my car got stolen and i havnt got it back yet my insuracne company said they are going to send my key to forensics to see when it was last used can they do this without actually having the car i sent the insurance company the only key that i had for the car i have done nothing wrong but for some reason i feel scared i have 4 young kids and ive never been in trouble in my life thank you
Hello,
Of course so-called forensics can prove you were the last person that operated this car when it wasn't recovered.
A specialty tool is required though. The key is inserted into a crystal ball and all the evidence will point to you because to insurance companies, you are guilty until proven innocent!
They will get some insurance slut (forensic locksmith) to write a report saying that because for him as a locksmith,(not a thief), it would take him 20 minutes to make a key. In other words, because of the locksmith's ignorance as to how to actually steal the car, the theft will be linked to you!
Funny, I have a case like that right now. Car has been missing for over a year. Progressive contacted a locksmith to write a report to deny a claim. The locksmith from Joe's Lock and Key states that because it would take him 20 minutes to make a transponder key, the car could not have been stolen.
What a goof!! Yet, Progressive actually had the nerve to deny the claim based on what this locksmith opined in his report!!!
If one were to spend 20 minutes making a key to steal a car in Texas, he would have been dead for 19 minutes!!!! Obviously, the locksmith did not consider this fact!
Forensics in the world of theft has been basterdized. If performed properly, it can be the smoking gun, but the problem is that 99% of these goofs hide behind that "forensic" title and do the quickest easiest slip shod examination.
One of the first hypothoses would be that the car has to be present for examination. With the car, one can rule out many different theories, but one can never rule out towing. If the car is recovered, it will be towed at least twice before it is examined at an auto auction. Forced entry is a moot poine because of so many unknown factors. Out of the thousands & thousands of cars I have examined, only one was locked.
I literally crush these insurance companies and their "experts" in court!!
If there is actual proof once the vehicle is examined that it can be determined how the car was last operated, fine, but rarely involving these purported experts (locksmiths) can they ever prove their opinions because they took short cut.
If you insurance company is giving you trouble on payment, you can retain our firm and we can assist you through the SIU investigation and if denied, we can assist you there as well.
Our firm works for and against insurance companies. All the insurance experts only work for insurance companies.
Check out our site at http://www.autotheftexpert.com You will find it a wealth of information. While you are at it, you will see the word "beaten" in green. Click on that link and go to the bottom of that page. You will see my CV (resume) and you will find it awesome as it applies to you.
Review my experience not only in auto theft, fire and forensics, but also in insurance investigation.
If you look at my extensive court record, only 3 of those cases are involving reports I authored over 20 years. The rest are going against the alleged "forensic" experts in this field and we have a 97% success rate!
If the insurance company says they can determine how the car was last operated just by examining the key and no car, they are misrepresenting the truth or another way to put it-Somebody is lying and would be opining without all the facts (the car).
Our contact information is on our site.
You did not mention the insurance company, but Geico, Progressive, Allstate and State farm are real common to deny a claim without the vehicle and think that by scaring you they will use forensics on the key to scare you and make you confess!
Here is where you may be at: Under investigation by SIU. EOU will be coming soon. You do not want to go through that yourself. An attorney can't help ypou at that point and there is only one place to reach out to and that is us. Did you review my CV (Resume) with my extensive experience in claims and insurance investigation?
Sometimes I supply the questions for the investigation and Examination Under Oath (EUO). It is the power of intimidation. The person asking for key is SIU. He/she is most likely an ex-cop. At the EUO your are in front of an attorney and the SIU in order to intimidate you.
Hopefully I will have some new pages up in the next week and I am naming names of the commonly known experts across the country. I am installing all sorts of new information, both for the insured and the insurance companies. Should be interesting!
http://www.autotheftexpert.com
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Rob Painter, ASE, CFL, CFEI
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My background in auto theft is extensive. I have been directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft recovered vehicles. I also do insurance investigation as to how a vehicle was last operated. My clients are insurance companies and attorneys. Was featured in the A & E auto theft documentary "Stealing Wheels" July 26, 2000. Has consulted with Daimler Chrysler steering column engineers to make their steering columns harder to defeat. Holds patent # 6,039,140 for 8 different variations to protect air bags from theft.
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ROB PAINTER, ASE, CFL, CFEI Forensic Vehicle Component Analyst Diplomate, Board Certified Forensic Examiner ASE Certified Auto, Collision, Med/Hvy/Duty Truck Technician Certified Forensic Locksmith Certified Fire and Explosion Investigator Certified Vehicle Fire Investigator Certified Forensic Auto Theft Examiner Certified Auto Theft and Fraud Expert http://www.autotheftexpert.com Email-rpainter@wi.rr.com P.O. Box 190 Big Bend, WI 53103 Phone (414) 698-9696 Fax (262) 662-1352 As per federal court rules of evidence (702) (Daubert) my testimony has qualified me as: Auto Theft and Fraud Expert Forensic Vehicle Analyst Fire Origin and Cause Expert In the trial transcript of Holiday vs Progressive Insurance Company (March 12, 2002?Eugene, Oregon) with Holiday being my client-named ?the expert for experts.? BUSINESS EXPERIENCE Founder of the ?Forensic Institute of Auto Theft Analysis? (January 2002). This is the training school that will set the standards in determining the last operation of a reported stolen vehicle-burned or unburned. Much of my testing and procedures have been accepted as the guide for the forensic community. 1986 opened Auto Recovery Specialists Inc., providing exclusive repair of theft recovered and vandalized vehicles. The initial concept of the business was to return vehicles to their original shape before the theft, vandalism or fire. In 1987 bought the rights to the theft deterrent known as the ?Chicago Collar?. Duties include complete component replacement: dash, stereo system, interior, locks and coding, rebuilding steering columns, repairing and installing vehicle security system components (factory and after market), engine components, body repair, glass replacement, repair and service of air conditioning components, brake and suspension repair, and replacement, wiring harnesses etc. to return vehicle to pre-theft condition Complete reconstruction. During the past 17 years directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft-recovered and fire damaged Personally examined and rebuilt thousands of steering columns on both import and domestic vehicles Internationally acknowledged as expert in auto theft including court, consulting with insurance companies, attorneys and law enforcement. Consultant on steering columns, locks, stereo systems and vehicle security for Special Investigation Units for many large insurance carriers during the past eight years. Consulting services include but not limited to: How a vehicle was last operated (with or without keys in burned or unburned vehicles), Origin and Cause of vehicle fires, and vehicle defects. Provides services as a consultant and researcher to attorneys and insurance companies, and private industry throughout the US in cases related to vehicles. Has worked with crime prevention officers throughout the US establishing training programs designed to protect the public from becoming victims of auto theft. PATENT: 3/21/00 issued patent# 6,039,140 for 8 different variations of airbag anti-theft devices. PUBLICATIONS Currently authors articles and test reports on an ongoing basis for SIUs and the forensic/vehicle fire industry. Published author: (1,297 slide training course) Auto Theft/ Fraud Training Course) ?The Modern Forensic Approach to Auto Theft Investigation.? (January, 2001) Author: ?Variables to Be Considered In Vehicle Fire Investigation after Suppression.? (Insurance publication-November 2001) Author: ?Ford Magnesium Steering Columns and the Results to Ignition Components after a Fire?. Article for peer review from the fire and forensic community. (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM VATS.? (Article) (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM PASSLOCK TM? (Article) (November 2001) Author:? Auto Theft Investigation: Hollywood vs. Reality? (Article) (February 2001) For the John Cooke Fraud Report. Published author: (Manual) ?Forensic Vehicle Fire/ Arson and Auto Theft Investigation? (October 2000) Published author: (Article) ?Petty Claims? for the John Cooke Fraud Report (October, 1998) Published author (Manual) ?AUTO THEFT: LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN!? (1998) (Previously distributed by Barnes & Nobel) Co-authored the investigation manual, ?Surreptitious Entry & Auto Theft & Burn & the Investigator.? (1999) Authored test questions on the subject of steering columns and vehicle security for CFL designation to be given by the International Association of Investigative Locksmiths. January, 2000 Published author: (Manual) ?Saginaw Steering Columns-What Has Not Been Told? Training manual for fire investigators. (March 2000) Published (Article) ?Beyond The Lock? (May 2000) Published Author: (Article) Fraud Defense Network-August, 2000 Edition-?Melting Steering Column Tests.? http://www.fraudreport.com/index.cfm?month=08&year=2000 Published author: (Test Report) ?Burned Toyota Steering Column Testing to Determine How Last Operated?. Tool marks and procedures. (December 1999) Currently at the FBI Crime Lab in Washington DC and the US Army Crime Lab in Atlanta, GA for peer review. ACCOMPLISHMENTS Defeated the ?unstealable? Ford Securilock transponder system for a court case 10/10/00. They said it could not be done! Primary designer of a state of the art ?bait? car for a police department to catch car thieves. Worked with The National Highway Safety Transportation Administration and discovered a potential fire hazard on a vehicle and determined origin and cause of under hood fires on this type of vehicle. Featured as ?Auto Theft Expert? in the A & E auto theft documentary ?Stealing Wheels? that aired July 26, 2000. Contacted by Sears and Edelman Marketing to be a national spokesman for an anti theft device for vehicles. (November 1999) Invited to provide evaluation and consulting to steering column engineers at Daimler Chrysler Corporation in Auburn Hills, MI (10/19/99-10/22/99). The purpose of this project was to demonstrate how steering column locking mechanisms could be defeated without the use of a key and how to reinforce the columns against theft. Court Qualified as an Auto Theft Expert and my videos of defeating columns were also accepted by a Cleveland, Ohio Court in October 1999 as a valid piece of evidence. Contacted by Disney Touchstone Pictures for technical assistance in making the movie ?Gone in 60 Seconds? (March 1999) CONSULTANT FOR FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ? Former contributor for The Insurance News Network (Auto theft and prevention) includes heading a forum for the public on how to protect their vehicles for 3+ years. ? Former editor and consultant for the public on matters involving auto theft and prevention 2000-2001 on the web at http://www.autotheft_forum.com. ? The Insurance Career Center (Auto theft and fraud). ? National Association of Investigative Specialists (Auto theft and fraud) ? Expert Find (Auto theft and fraud} TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE ? ASE (National Institute of Automotive Service Excellence) Certified in Auto: brakes, steering and suspension, engine repair, manual drive train and axles, air conditioning. Med/Heavy duty truck: gasoline engine repair, electrical/electronic components. Collision: elec.....
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