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QUESTION: installed new computer wasn't supposed to need reset. drove  for 25 miles , antitheft lite came on vehicle dtopped. disconnected battery - nothing. reinstalled old computer nothing. towed to dealer- told me computer was blank. got a replacement computer now opens pats system but won't take reset, and they don't know what to do. any ideas on a fix. or how to daisable or bypass pats?  thanks for any solution!

ANSWER: Hello,



You have 2 things going here. As I said 1997 did not have PATS. I guaranty it! As per Ford Internal documentation, 1998 was the first year PATS on trucks and SUVs.

Second even if you had 1998 up, PATS only works on start circuit and will never cause an engine to stall. Don't know what you have going on other than it has nothing to do with a pats. Pats has a red lite that says theft, not anti-theft. Maybe you have a 1998 computer. Ford should know 1997 did not have pats and that it will not cause engine to stall.

One other point-to engage her 02 Navigator, she says doors get locked and anti theft light comes on. That's the optional factory alarm and that too will not cause engine to stall. No door locks need to be employed for pats. I know the Ford PATS better than FORD, so please don't insult me with a 5 for knowledge. The PATS light is red and says theft. If there was a problem and you had it, it would flash rapidly in most cases.

I cannot believe your dealer does not know his product. Oh yes I can. These idiots don't even know that the PATS can be bypassed very simply, but collateral damage is theft light won't stop flashing. I know this system better than any ford mechanic. If he thinks it has pats, then he better confirm the year. Otherwise he doesn't know what he is talking about, have them refund your money and go to a dealer with a competent mechanic.



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QUESTION: thanks for your more detailed follow up without me even asking. didn't mean to insult you with the 5 on knowledge but had 2 dealers telling me it has pats.... second dealers best tech wants $189.00 just to look at it and says it has pats too so I'm not going to him,thought they should know, hah! they can't figure it out - first dealer didn't charge me anything but gave up. suggested I get a new $ 700.00 ford computer but have the original and they supposedly tried resetting it but tech wrote nothing down and then quit the dealership over this and other problems . so I am taking it to a pretty tech savvy guy he is suggesting putting original ford computer back in and resetting the chip keys and go from there.... and yes it flashes theft not antitheft. hopefully this will fix it, if not maybe bypass it and take out theft bulb. don't know if you can help me on bypass if needed, I'll see what new tech says. again thanks

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Hello,

Someone is full of crap. I had the Ford internal notes protected by a gag order. They say 1998 was the first year using pats except for the Cobra which was 1996.
Hey, they are internal Ford notes.

If in fact a 1997 is so equipped either your mechanics are full of crap or Ford is.

I can tell you how to bypass the junk, but the collateral damage is that the theft light will blink constantly and the only thing you can do is put tape over the ip.

Ford said impossible. I made them look like idiots. One wire to bypass and now all you need is a tie wrap!

Ford will tell you impossible and yet, those goofs don't think like thieves. I do.

Let me know if you want to bypass the junk. If so write me at robo14@aol.com

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My background in auto theft is extensive. I have been directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft recovered vehicles. I also do insurance investigation as to how a vehicle was last operated. My clients are insurance companies and attorneys. Was featured in the A & E auto theft documentary "Stealing Wheels" July 26, 2000. Has consulted with Daimler Chrysler steering column engineers to make their steering columns harder to defeat. Holds patent # 6,039,140 for 8 different variations to protect air bags from theft.

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ROB PAINTER, ASE, CFL, CFEI Forensic Vehicle Component Analyst Diplomate, Board Certified Forensic Examiner ASE Certified Auto, Collision, Med/Hvy/Duty Truck Technician Certified Forensic Locksmith Certified Fire and Explosion Investigator Certified Vehicle Fire Investigator Certified Forensic Auto Theft Examiner Certified Auto Theft and Fraud Expert http://www.autotheftexpert.com Email-rpainter@wi.rr.com P.O. Box 190 Big Bend, WI 53103 Phone (414) 698-9696 Fax (262) 662-1352 As per federal court rules of evidence (702) (Daubert) my testimony has qualified me as: Auto Theft and Fraud Expert Forensic Vehicle Analyst Fire Origin and Cause Expert In the trial transcript of Holiday vs Progressive Insurance Company (March 12, 2002?Eugene, Oregon) with Holiday being my client-named ?the expert for experts.? BUSINESS EXPERIENCE Founder of the ?Forensic Institute of Auto Theft Analysis? (January 2002). This is the training school that will set the standards in determining the last operation of a reported stolen vehicle-burned or unburned. Much of my testing and procedures have been accepted as the guide for the forensic community. 1986 opened Auto Recovery Specialists Inc., providing exclusive repair of theft recovered and vandalized vehicles. The initial concept of the business was to return vehicles to their original shape before the theft, vandalism or fire. In 1987 bought the rights to the theft deterrent known as the ?Chicago Collar?. Duties include complete component replacement: dash, stereo system, interior, locks and coding, rebuilding steering columns, repairing and installing vehicle security system components (factory and after market), engine components, body repair, glass replacement, repair and service of air conditioning components, brake and suspension repair, and replacement, wiring harnesses etc. to return vehicle to pre-theft condition Complete reconstruction. During the past 17 years directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft-recovered and fire damaged Personally examined and rebuilt thousands of steering columns on both import and domestic vehicles Internationally acknowledged as expert in auto theft including court, consulting with insurance companies, attorneys and law enforcement. Consultant on steering columns, locks, stereo systems and vehicle security for Special Investigation Units for many large insurance carriers during the past eight years. Consulting services include but not limited to: How a vehicle was last operated (with or without keys in burned or unburned vehicles), Origin and Cause of vehicle fires, and vehicle defects. Provides services as a consultant and researcher to attorneys and insurance companies, and private industry throughout the US in cases related to vehicles. Has worked with crime prevention officers throughout the US establishing training programs designed to protect the public from becoming victims of auto theft. PATENT: 3/21/00 issued patent# 6,039,140 for 8 different variations of airbag anti-theft devices. PUBLICATIONS Currently authors articles and test reports on an ongoing basis for SIUs and the forensic/vehicle fire industry. Published author: (1,297 slide training course) Auto Theft/ Fraud Training Course) ?The Modern Forensic Approach to Auto Theft Investigation.? (January, 2001) Author: ?Variables to Be Considered In Vehicle Fire Investigation after Suppression.? (Insurance publication-November 2001) Author: ?Ford Magnesium Steering Columns and the Results to Ignition Components after a Fire?. Article for peer review from the fire and forensic community. (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM VATS.? (Article) (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM PASSLOCK TM? (Article) (November 2001) Author:? 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Contacted by Sears and Edelman Marketing to be a national spokesman for an anti theft device for vehicles. (November 1999) Invited to provide evaluation and consulting to steering column engineers at Daimler Chrysler Corporation in Auburn Hills, MI (10/19/99-10/22/99). The purpose of this project was to demonstrate how steering column locking mechanisms could be defeated without the use of a key and how to reinforce the columns against theft. Court Qualified as an Auto Theft Expert and my videos of defeating columns were also accepted by a Cleveland, Ohio Court in October 1999 as a valid piece of evidence. Contacted by Disney Touchstone Pictures for technical assistance in making the movie ?Gone in 60 Seconds? (March 1999) CONSULTANT FOR FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ? Former contributor for The Insurance News Network (Auto theft and prevention) includes heading a forum for the public on how to protect their vehicles for 3+ years. ? 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