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I have a ,97 Pontiac sunfire gt 2.4l. I bought used..my son broke the ignition switch, I needing my car asked a friend to hot wire it for me, only to learn( after the hot wire had been attempted) it had an anti theft system. So now I've replace the column the ignition switch, attempted the key relearn process even attempted to bypass...to learn that the owner prior to me had already had an issue as well and had a kitvinstalled.  I do not have the original key with chip. And I've replaced ignition switch and key.
Now car will start and run but shuts off after a minute or two ..I have spark, fuel pump is pumping..however do have low pressure...what would be causing this? Car started and ran fine before all of this.  Please help me!!!!

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Hi,

You have the passlock ineffective anti theft system. It has no chip in the ignition key. That isn't how the system works. PK III had the chip, as did the revised and attempted to be improved was the circle plus.

Your system works with the computer seeing the rotation of the ignition lock. There are 10 different combinations of lock housings with different resistance values.

You are dealing with a magnetic field inside the housing and you need to make sure you have the correct ignition lock cylinder in it. You can tell if it is correct by removing the ignition lock and looking for the protruding magnet towards the end of the lock.

I do not know where you got the ignition from. GM never made ignition locks and keys. All this was subbed to a Milwaukee lock company. (I have been in that plant many times).

There were also problems with the housing and the ignition lock spraying grease on the inside blocking the magnetic field. We would spray brake cleaner on a rag and wipe the housing out of the grease.
Once you have established you have the correct lock cylinder for PASSLOCK from a parts store and all the wiring is properly attached, we will go forward.

Keep in mind the speedo cluster, the computer and the ignition lock and housing are all linked together. If one doesn't work, the engine will not start.

When you say you hot wired, I hope you did not play with the PASSLOCK wiring on the left side of the column. Thinner wires than at the electrical ignition switch. One crucial wire is a thin yellow wire.

When you say you bypassed, what did you do? Did you use the GM Bulletin from May of 1999 #26? This was a half-ass way to bypass for remote start, and the correct way was to use a 555L bypass module from alarm stores for the remote start. However, bulleting #26 did in fact bypass with a toggle, in which if you turned off the system, the security light would stay on in the dash.

Leave those wires alone if you haven't screwed them up. It is a thin 3 or 4 wire harness connecting to the ignition lock housing and runs straight down the left side of the steering column.

If everything I have stated is addressed, pay close attention because people rarely do because they don't have patience.
To reset, it is a 30 minute process. Not a 10 minute process, not a 20 minute process.

Turn ignition to on (don't start engine) and leave on for 10 minutes. Turn off. Turn on for 10 minutes. Shut off. Turn on for 10 minutes. Turn off. Engine should now start if you haven't cut the wrong wires, fried the computer by trying to hot wire.

As stated, there is nothing special about the ignition keys and can be copied for $3 at a hardware store.

Every thing I have described is accurate. Have done it thousands of times, but the caveat is the unknown as to the hands that were in this before and what has been done to it prior to putting the steering column in and changing the ignition lock.

So you are aware of proper terminology if you need to get parts, the ignition lock is not the ignition switch. It is known as a key/lock cylinder. The ignition switch is on the left side and has the wires going to it, or is at the bottom of the column depending on the design of the steering column, being GM kept switching them around in that era.

Let me know what happens and maybe we will have to undo one of the things that was done to the car in an attempt to get it running.

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My background in auto theft is extensive. I have been directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft recovered vehicles. I also do insurance investigation as to how a vehicle was last operated. My clients are insurance companies and attorneys. Was featured in the A & E auto theft documentary "Stealing Wheels" July 26, 2000. Has consulted with Daimler Chrysler steering column engineers to make their steering columns harder to defeat. Holds patent # 6,039,140 for 8 different variations to protect air bags from theft.

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ROB PAINTER, ASE, CFL, CFEI Forensic Vehicle Component Analyst Diplomate, Board Certified Forensic Examiner ASE Certified Auto, Collision, Med/Hvy/Duty Truck Technician Certified Forensic Locksmith Certified Fire and Explosion Investigator Certified Vehicle Fire Investigator Certified Forensic Auto Theft Examiner Certified Auto Theft and Fraud Expert http://www.autotheftexpert.com Email-rpainter@wi.rr.com P.O. Box 190 Big Bend, WI 53103 Phone (414) 698-9696 Fax (262) 662-1352 As per federal court rules of evidence (702) (Daubert) my testimony has qualified me as: Auto Theft and Fraud Expert Forensic Vehicle Analyst Fire Origin and Cause Expert In the trial transcript of Holiday vs Progressive Insurance Company (March 12, 2002?Eugene, Oregon) with Holiday being my client-named ?the expert for experts.? BUSINESS EXPERIENCE Founder of the ?Forensic Institute of Auto Theft Analysis? (January 2002). This is the training school that will set the standards in determining the last operation of a reported stolen vehicle-burned or unburned. Much of my testing and procedures have been accepted as the guide for the forensic community. 1986 opened Auto Recovery Specialists Inc., providing exclusive repair of theft recovered and vandalized vehicles. The initial concept of the business was to return vehicles to their original shape before the theft, vandalism or fire. In 1987 bought the rights to the theft deterrent known as the ?Chicago Collar?. Duties include complete component replacement: dash, stereo system, interior, locks and coding, rebuilding steering columns, repairing and installing vehicle security system components (factory and after market), engine components, body repair, glass replacement, repair and service of air conditioning components, brake and suspension repair, and replacement, wiring harnesses etc. to return vehicle to pre-theft condition Complete reconstruction. During the past 17 years directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft-recovered and fire damaged Personally examined and rebuilt thousands of steering columns on both import and domestic vehicles Internationally acknowledged as expert in auto theft including court, consulting with insurance companies, attorneys and law enforcement. Consultant on steering columns, locks, stereo systems and vehicle security for Special Investigation Units for many large insurance carriers during the past eight years. Consulting services include but not limited to: How a vehicle was last operated (with or without keys in burned or unburned vehicles), Origin and Cause of vehicle fires, and vehicle defects. Provides services as a consultant and researcher to attorneys and insurance companies, and private industry throughout the US in cases related to vehicles. Has worked with crime prevention officers throughout the US establishing training programs designed to protect the public from becoming victims of auto theft. PATENT: 3/21/00 issued patent# 6,039,140 for 8 different variations of airbag anti-theft devices. PUBLICATIONS Currently authors articles and test reports on an ongoing basis for SIUs and the forensic/vehicle fire industry. Published author: (1,297 slide training course) Auto Theft/ Fraud Training Course) ?The Modern Forensic Approach to Auto Theft Investigation.? (January, 2001) Author: ?Variables to Be Considered In Vehicle Fire Investigation after Suppression.? (Insurance publication-November 2001) Author: ?Ford Magnesium Steering Columns and the Results to Ignition Components after a Fire?. Article for peer review from the fire and forensic community. (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM VATS.? (Article) (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM PASSLOCK TM? (Article) (November 2001) Author:? Auto Theft Investigation: Hollywood vs. Reality? (Article) (February 2001) For the John Cooke Fraud Report. Published author: (Manual) ?Forensic Vehicle Fire/ Arson and Auto Theft Investigation? (October 2000) Published author: (Article) ?Petty Claims? for the John Cooke Fraud Report (October, 1998) Published author (Manual) ?AUTO THEFT: LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN!? (1998) (Previously distributed by Barnes & Nobel) Co-authored the investigation manual, ?Surreptitious Entry & Auto Theft & Burn & the Investigator.? (1999) Authored test questions on the subject of steering columns and vehicle security for CFL designation to be given by the International Association of Investigative Locksmiths. January, 2000 Published author: (Manual) ?Saginaw Steering Columns-What Has Not Been Told? Training manual for fire investigators. (March 2000) Published (Article) ?Beyond The Lock? (May 2000) Published Author: (Article) Fraud Defense Network-August, 2000 Edition-?Melting Steering Column Tests.? http://www.fraudreport.com/index.cfm?month=08&year=2000 Published author: (Test Report) ?Burned Toyota Steering Column Testing to Determine How Last Operated?. Tool marks and procedures. (December 1999) Currently at the FBI Crime Lab in Washington DC and the US Army Crime Lab in Atlanta, GA for peer review. ACCOMPLISHMENTS Defeated the ?unstealable? Ford Securilock transponder system for a court case 10/10/00. They said it could not be done! Primary designer of a state of the art ?bait? car for a police department to catch car thieves. Worked with The National Highway Safety Transportation Administration and discovered a potential fire hazard on a vehicle and determined origin and cause of under hood fires on this type of vehicle. Featured as ?Auto Theft Expert? in the A & E auto theft documentary ?Stealing Wheels? that aired July 26, 2000. Contacted by Sears and Edelman Marketing to be a national spokesman for an anti theft device for vehicles. (November 1999) Invited to provide evaluation and consulting to steering column engineers at Daimler Chrysler Corporation in Auburn Hills, MI (10/19/99-10/22/99). The purpose of this project was to demonstrate how steering column locking mechanisms could be defeated without the use of a key and how to reinforce the columns against theft. Court Qualified as an Auto Theft Expert and my videos of defeating columns were also accepted by a Cleveland, Ohio Court in October 1999 as a valid piece of evidence. Contacted by Disney Touchstone Pictures for technical assistance in making the movie ?Gone in 60 Seconds? (March 1999) CONSULTANT FOR FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ? Former contributor for The Insurance News Network (Auto theft and prevention) includes heading a forum for the public on how to protect their vehicles for 3+ years. ? 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