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Hi Rob, I have read most of your answers pertinent to my subject. I have Silverado 2015 35000  diesel HC. Nobody so far can tell me what is factory installed anti theft on this new GTP K2Xx platform. Is there anything Actually can be done to significantly decrease the chances of truck been stolen. Can you comment on adding the inclination and shock sensors to OEM alarm plus smart key with phone text notifications, or adding aftermarket alarms with thouse sensors ( if it works wich alarm is better)also , please comment on Ravelco plug, starter kill switch, ,Maxi-lock hood lock with starter kill,  Jimmy jammers ,mechanical immobilizers( europian Disklok).  Does multi layer protection make sense and if it is which layers would u recomend for that particular truck and how to find the best people to do it if it can be done at all , or it is all useless ? Thank a lots

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Hi Mike,

Factory installed anti theft devices are worthless, but if the vehicle is stolen, your insurance company will attempt to build a case of fraud with your involvement of the theft of the vehicle. See, it is either ignorance or something nefarious in which insurance investigators and cops believe these vehicles are unstealable. With that said, your theft claim is not investigated as a theft, but that of a fraud. I know this as a fact, because I serve as an expert witness for insureds and criminal defendants and I also represent them under Power of Attorney preparing them for investigation questioning and sworn testimony or Examinations under Oath (EUOs).
You are guilty of owning a vehicle that is purportedly theft proof (which is a flat out lie) and if stolen, you are going to be a victim not once, but twice by your carrier accusing you, and possibly a third time if referred to prosecution.
It doesn't matter what carrier you have, because these thefts are treated the same way! I am in the process of writing a book on this.
These facts you are not told in the cute TV commercials with the Lizard, by Flo, or the State or the good hands people!
We work for carriers in the examination of these reported stolen vehicles, but what separates us from anyone else in the field is that we represent insureds. We are the only firm on a national level that represents insureds.

Your vehicle should be equipped with the PK III. A system designed in 1994 and first introduced on the 1997 Buick Road Master and Cadillac Catera. Modified in about 2005 or 2006 to the circle plus. Now, if you had a cell phone from 1994, how good would it be? In spite of what cops and investigators believe electronic technology is dynamic except when it comes to factory installed security which is static du to the with cost of redesign.
GM first employed the VATS (Resistor chip in ignition key blade) in the 1986 Corvette. By 1990, we were bypassing the VATS for remote start so that the engine would start at a distance by pushing a button on a key fob and no key in the ignition. Thieves were also bypassing this problematic junk that when the wires inside the plastic insulation stranded the owner because the engine did not start.
VATS (Vehicle Anti Theft System) never designed to prevent theft!
Would you believe GM installed this junk in many of their vehicles for 19 years!
Then they went to the PASLOCK-MRD (Mechanical rotation device). Designed only for if  thief would rip the ignition from its housing and the engine would not start then. Yet, the ignition locks suffered fro severe wear and the ignition would turn without the use of a key, or the lock could be force rotated with a screwdriver and the vehicle could be driven off! GM used this system on select makes and models for about 10 years.
Then GM went with the PK III transponder on the models mentioned and expanded into all of their makes and models.

That should explain your situation with factory security on tis very nice pick of a truck.

I do not believe I have ever written to you in response to your question suggesting sensors or adding anything to the factory installed security.


The truth of the matter is that Reliance on factory security is fool hardy, because it is 2 to 3 years electronically obsete when the vehicle is purchased new off the show floor.

I am also not going to get sucked in and recommend 70's design technology like the Ravelco Plug that make impossible to prove statements about their product a fact. Statements like millions installed and not one vehicle stolen. Just how and who verifies this? Better yet, the plug is a glorified engine disable and does not stop movement of the vehicle by pushing, pulling,towing.
Repo tow trucks can pick up a car parked tightly between two cars and have it ready to tow in 30 seconds! I made a video of a to truck with a wheel lift backing up to my truck, clamping the wheels and having it lifted in the air. Total time--8 seconds. Add 30 seconds if the power wheels are on the ground and the transmission linage has to be disconnected. In the event the power wheels are picked up, driver does not even have to get out of the truck!

By the way, October 28, 2014 in New Bedford, MA, I demonstrated 5 ways to steal a PK III transponder equipped vehicle serving as the defendant's expert witness and he and his wife were acquitted!
On March 18, 2015 I spent about 5 hos testifying n 5 different ways the GM PK III equipped vehicle could be stolen in a civil trial representing the insured.

I would recommend having an aftermarket impact sensor combined with a paging alarm. I have heard you can be notified these days of tampering on a cell phone now. If not, get a pager. No one pays attention to sirens blaring.

Depending on what state you are located, you may want to approach the perpetrators. I recommend leaving no stickers warning of a paging alarm.
I am in Texas and we can protect property here. In Wisconsin one can't. I also carry a firearm.

I wouldn't go much farther than a paging alarm and maybe activating the ON Star. Anything else these days I a waste of money.
Look, I am a professional car thief that only demonstrates as to how to steal vehicles in court. If I wanted your vehicle, there is nothing you can install that will stop me. If I have that knowledge, what about the thief that steals a vehicle 24/7?

I am just trying to prevent you from getting sucked into ads by Ravelco and other things that cost you money and you get no return.

Enjoy the truck. If it gets stolen and you find yourself in an investigation, don't contact an attorney that knows nothing about the investigation game. Contact me!

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My background in auto theft is extensive. I have been directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft recovered vehicles. I also do insurance investigation as to how a vehicle was last operated. My clients are insurance companies and attorneys. Was featured in the A & E auto theft documentary "Stealing Wheels" July 26, 2000. Has consulted with Daimler Chrysler steering column engineers to make their steering columns harder to defeat. Holds patent # 6,039,140 for 8 different variations to protect air bags from theft.

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ROB PAINTER, ASE, CFL, CFEI Forensic Vehicle Component Analyst Diplomate, Board Certified Forensic Examiner ASE Certified Auto, Collision, Med/Hvy/Duty Truck Technician Certified Forensic Locksmith Certified Fire and Explosion Investigator Certified Vehicle Fire Investigator Certified Forensic Auto Theft Examiner Certified Auto Theft and Fraud Expert http://www.autotheftexpert.com Email-rpainter@wi.rr.com P.O. Box 190 Big Bend, WI 53103 Phone (414) 698-9696 Fax (262) 662-1352 As per federal court rules of evidence (702) (Daubert) my testimony has qualified me as: Auto Theft and Fraud Expert Forensic Vehicle Analyst Fire Origin and Cause Expert In the trial transcript of Holiday vs Progressive Insurance Company (March 12, 2002?Eugene, Oregon) with Holiday being my client-named ?the expert for experts.? BUSINESS EXPERIENCE Founder of the ?Forensic Institute of Auto Theft Analysis? (January 2002). This is the training school that will set the standards in determining the last operation of a reported stolen vehicle-burned or unburned. Much of my testing and procedures have been accepted as the guide for the forensic community. 1986 opened Auto Recovery Specialists Inc., providing exclusive repair of theft recovered and vandalized vehicles. The initial concept of the business was to return vehicles to their original shape before the theft, vandalism or fire. In 1987 bought the rights to the theft deterrent known as the ?Chicago Collar?. Duties include complete component replacement: dash, stereo system, interior, locks and coding, rebuilding steering columns, repairing and installing vehicle security system components (factory and after market), engine components, body repair, glass replacement, repair and service of air conditioning components, brake and suspension repair, and replacement, wiring harnesses etc. to return vehicle to pre-theft condition Complete reconstruction. During the past 17 years directly involved in the repair of over 10,000 theft-recovered and fire damaged Personally examined and rebuilt thousands of steering columns on both import and domestic vehicles Internationally acknowledged as expert in auto theft including court, consulting with insurance companies, attorneys and law enforcement. Consultant on steering columns, locks, stereo systems and vehicle security for Special Investigation Units for many large insurance carriers during the past eight years. Consulting services include but not limited to: How a vehicle was last operated (with or without keys in burned or unburned vehicles), Origin and Cause of vehicle fires, and vehicle defects. Provides services as a consultant and researcher to attorneys and insurance companies, and private industry throughout the US in cases related to vehicles. Has worked with crime prevention officers throughout the US establishing training programs designed to protect the public from becoming victims of auto theft. PATENT: 3/21/00 issued patent# 6,039,140 for 8 different variations of airbag anti-theft devices. PUBLICATIONS Currently authors articles and test reports on an ongoing basis for SIUs and the forensic/vehicle fire industry. Published author: (1,297 slide training course) Auto Theft/ Fraud Training Course) ?The Modern Forensic Approach to Auto Theft Investigation.? (January, 2001) Author: ?Variables to Be Considered In Vehicle Fire Investigation after Suppression.? (Insurance publication-November 2001) Author: ?Ford Magnesium Steering Columns and the Results to Ignition Components after a Fire?. Article for peer review from the fire and forensic community. (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM VATS.? (Article) (November 2001) Author: ?The Truth About GM PASSLOCK TM? (Article) (November 2001) Author:? Auto Theft Investigation: Hollywood vs. Reality? (Article) (February 2001) For the John Cooke Fraud Report. Published author: (Manual) ?Forensic Vehicle Fire/ Arson and Auto Theft Investigation? (October 2000) Published author: (Article) ?Petty Claims? for the John Cooke Fraud Report (October, 1998) Published author (Manual) ?AUTO THEFT: LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN!? (1998) (Previously distributed by Barnes & Nobel) Co-authored the investigation manual, ?Surreptitious Entry & Auto Theft & Burn & the Investigator.? (1999) Authored test questions on the subject of steering columns and vehicle security for CFL designation to be given by the International Association of Investigative Locksmiths. January, 2000 Published author: (Manual) ?Saginaw Steering Columns-What Has Not Been Told? Training manual for fire investigators. (March 2000) Published (Article) ?Beyond The Lock? (May 2000) Published Author: (Article) Fraud Defense Network-August, 2000 Edition-?Melting Steering Column Tests.? http://www.fraudreport.com/index.cfm?month=08&year=2000 Published author: (Test Report) ?Burned Toyota Steering Column Testing to Determine How Last Operated?. Tool marks and procedures. (December 1999) Currently at the FBI Crime Lab in Washington DC and the US Army Crime Lab in Atlanta, GA for peer review. ACCOMPLISHMENTS Defeated the ?unstealable? Ford Securilock transponder system for a court case 10/10/00. They said it could not be done! Primary designer of a state of the art ?bait? car for a police department to catch car thieves. Worked with The National Highway Safety Transportation Administration and discovered a potential fire hazard on a vehicle and determined origin and cause of under hood fires on this type of vehicle. Featured as ?Auto Theft Expert? in the A & E auto theft documentary ?Stealing Wheels? that aired July 26, 2000. Contacted by Sears and Edelman Marketing to be a national spokesman for an anti theft device for vehicles. (November 1999) Invited to provide evaluation and consulting to steering column engineers at Daimler Chrysler Corporation in Auburn Hills, MI (10/19/99-10/22/99). The purpose of this project was to demonstrate how steering column locking mechanisms could be defeated without the use of a key and how to reinforce the columns against theft. Court Qualified as an Auto Theft Expert and my videos of defeating columns were also accepted by a Cleveland, Ohio Court in October 1999 as a valid piece of evidence. Contacted by Disney Touchstone Pictures for technical assistance in making the movie ?Gone in 60 Seconds? (March 1999) CONSULTANT FOR FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ? Former contributor for The Insurance News Network (Auto theft and prevention) includes heading a forum for the public on how to protect their vehicles for 3+ years. ? Former editor and consultant for the public on matters involving auto theft and prevention 2000-2001 on the web at http://www.autotheft_forum.com. ? The Insurance Career Center (Auto theft and fraud). ? National Association of Investigative Specialists (Auto theft and fraud) ? Expert Find (Auto theft and fraud} TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE ? ASE (National Institute of Automotive Service Excellence) Certified in Auto: brakes, steering and suspension, engine repair, manual drive train and axles, air conditioning. Med/Heavy duty truck: gasoline engine repair, electrical/electronic components. Collision: elec.....

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