Automotive/a/c leaking

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Expert: - 8/2/2009


Question
My girlfriend has a 2001 mitsubishi galant and when you drive it for a while with the a/c on the driver side floorboard fills with water! Its not engine coolant either!! If you look under the car you can see that it is moisture from the a/c pump! what would cause this?

Answer
The only problem with your HVAC system is either a partially-blocked condensate drain, or possibly an unintended drain within the passenger compartment caused by a seam failure or other breach in the under-dash housing for the evapourator.

The water itself is a natural byproduct of the refrigeration process.  Warm air normally has a fairly high content of evapourated water in it, this being moisture from most life forms (plants and animals - including us) and, when this is brought into contact with a cold air-conditioning evapourator coil, this moisture condenses out on the surface of the evapourator.  Heat is released from the warm air to the chilled evapourator largely by this process.  Thus, a drain must be provided to carry away to carry away this water (condensate), and this is done in most cars via a drain that passes directly down to below the floor of the car; this is the cause of the puddle usually seen under a freshly-parked air-conditioned car.

Window air-conditioners make better use of this condensate.  Rather than being directly drained, this condensed water is channeled to the condenser coil, the other end of the heat-transfer process performed by the air conditioner which, in common with the majority of refrigeration processes, is a heat-pump, using power mainly to move heat in the opposite direction (cooler to warmer) from that in which it would flow naturally (warmer to cooler).  The condenser fan picks up the condensate and flings it onto the warm condenser as it passes air through the condenser fins.  The heat of the condenser evapourates the water, the water picking up much heat from the condenser in the process.  This greatly aids the removal of heat from the condenser, and enhances the efficiency of the whole process.

Pretty cool process, wouldn't you agree?

Regards ... EGK

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The challenges I most enjoy are thoughtful technical questions of a trouble-shooting nature in both electrical, power electronic and mechanical systems, mainly automotive but also machine control and small-machine PLC applications. Please note, however, that I am NOT a walking shop manual! I DO, however, make it a point to have those manuals and other service literature for those vehicles I DO own, and highly recommend that anyone serious about maintenance or modification of their vehicles do the same; MOST of your answers WILL be found there. For that matter, I do NOT go out of my way to acquire shop manuals for any vehicle I do NOT own! That being the case, any general query to me along the lines of "What is the meaning of this code read from the ECU of my 2015 XYZ?" or "Where is the fuse for the windshield washer pump found?" (try your car's electrical distribution panel for a start!) will not go far. What I do offer is a pretty good collection of literature, insights and hands-on experience with 1950s to 1980's Ford products (plus a developing database of information and practice with the Mercedes diesel cars), along with an engineering perspective and the ability to design and implement custom control, electrical and mechanical subsystems for vehicles. For that reason, I am happy to make my thoughts and efforts available to those who are of like mind and/or are seriously making a point of learning about their vehicles. Use the Opportunity to Learn!

Experience

A key skill in my work and hobby pursuits both is STRATEGIC TROUBLESHOOTING. I am a senior instructor in Electrical Engineering Technology at a leading Canadian polytechnic, my areas being Electrical Power and Industrial Control, electrical and electronics design and manufacturing, and AutoCAD and related CAD/CAE software - plus equipment problem-solving and new equipment design and prototyping. Hobby-wise, I have 30-plus years of experience in auto restoration, mostly in electrical and mechanical systems. Ongoing projects include a 1959 Edsel Corsair, my 1978 Ford E250 class-B motorhome conversion, and the care and upkeep of my Mercedes 300CD. My vehicles become engineering test beds for electrical and mechanical upgrades as ideas present themselves. This includes the design and production of circuit boards to restore or enhance features for which no OEM replacement parts are obtainable, or where better specifications or reliability can be had via newer concepts. Regarding the E250 RV conversion, I designed and continue to revise a custom power distribution system, managed by a Programmable Controller (PLC); this has made most revisions as easy as uploading new firmware as I develop it. The "mini" PLC is a powerful device for custom automotive control systems. One good example (there are many) would be the Moeller "Easy Relay"; these offer a wealth of control, monitoring and variable-and-status display options for such projects. A good example project which has worked well is that one for my RV noted above, which has been on the job - revised in firmware only - for a decade now. It is a load management and charging control system to avoid the sulfation-induced early failure that often befalls deep-cycle batteries used in RV power applications. The battery installed in 2003 lasted long enough to more tnan pay for the PLC that contributed to its longer life ... and the PLC will be there for the next battery as well!

Organizations
IEEE - senior member ... past WCC Student Activities; SME - senior member ... past chair, greater Vancouver chapter chair 318; Edsel Owners' Club - have served in various capacities on chapter executive during seventies; have been Power and Driveline resource on the Edsel Owners' Club "E-team" for more than a decade.

Education/Credentials
Graduate of UBC

Awards and Honors
Certificates of appreciation from IEEE and SME for work in student and chapter activities

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