Baptists/school
Expert: Dr Don Howe - 5/10/2008
Questionhi what would be the difference between Baptist and Pentecostal?
my children is coming from a catholic school and i want to transfer them to a Christian school we are baptist would there be a difference because the school is Pentecostal?
AnswerGilber, thank you so much for your question. You asked “what would be the difference between Baptist and Pentecostal? There are many similarities and differences. The biggest difference is how Pentecostals see speaking in tongues, second baptism of the holy spirit, and how they put so much on personal experience. Pentecostals and charismatics tend to gauge truth by personal experience rather than Scripture. They will have to be honest with themselves and state that personal experience and not Scripture is the foundation of their belief system. Baptist, on the other hand, believe totally in the inerrancy of Scripture and try to live by it. Gilber, if you do not mind, I would like to go through some of the history of Pentecostalism and Baptist, and then get into some of the doctrinal differences what is biblical about each others belief system. To truly understand what the differences are you have look at their doctrine. But remember what I said about Pentecostals and charismatics take personal experience over biblical truth, and it true they will use Scripture back up their doctrine, but it is taken out context usually.
The Pentecostal Movement began around the 1900 and was composed mostly of the Assemblies of God, Foursquare Gospel Churches, and the United Pentecostal Church. Then in 1959 the “neo-pentecostalism” movement started which we call the charismatic movement, when Dennis Bennett, rector at St. Mark’s Episcopal church in Van Nuys, California, experienced what he believes was the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues. The charismatic movement spread to the Episcopalian, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, and Lutheran denominations. It has grown to include Catholics, theological liberals, Baptists, and even several pseudo-Christian groups. It is difficult if not impossible to define the charismatic movement by some doctrine or teaching that all members of the movement advocate. What they do hold in common is an (here is that word again) personal experience—which they believe is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And they define this as the Spirit baptism as a post-salvation, second-blessing experience that adds something vital to what Christians receive at salvation. Spirit baptism, charismatics beleve is accompanied by the evidence of speaking in tongues, or perhaps other charismatic gifts. They say such a personal experience is considered essential for any Christian who wants to know the fullness of divine and miraculous power in his or her life. They say you are not a real Christian unless you have these experiences.
The Baptist faith originated from within the Separatist movement, a movement which arose in Europe with the goal of breaking away from the Church of England (which previously had broken away from the Catholic Church, yet retained many of the trappings; those within the Church of England who wished to remain a part of the Church and yet purify it became known as "Puritans;" they were, in a sense, cousins to Separatists). The earliest Baptist church is traced back to 1609 in Amsterdam, with John Smyth as pastor. The group's embracing of "believer's baptism" became the defining moment which led to the establishment of this first Baptist church. Shortly thereafter, Smyth left the group, and Thomas Helwys took over the leadership, leading the church back to England in 1611. This view of Baptist origins has the most historical support and is the most widely accepted view of Baptist origins. Representative writers include William H. Whitsitt, Robert G. Torbet, Winthrop S. Hudson, William G. McLoughlin and Robert A. Baker.
Although Baptists originated from English Separatism, their emergence owes much to the earlier Anabaptists. early Baptists were influenced by some Anabaptists. The Dutch Mennonites (Anabaptists), for example, shared some similarities with General Baptists (believer's baptism, religious liberty, separation of church and state, and Arminian views of salvation, predestination and original sin). However, other than this, there were significant differences between Anabaptists and Baptists (Anabaptists tended towards extreme pacifism, communal sharing of earthly goods, and an unorthodox optimistic view of human nature).
There is a view of Baptist history that is called Landmarkism which declares that Baptist churches actually existed in an unbroken chain since the time of Christ and John the Baptist. The "Landmarkist" view, which has little actual historical support, remains popular among certain Baptists. The reason for its moderate popularity (and, indeed, strong popularity among some rural Baptists in the southern and western United States) stems (to some degree) from a long-standing dislike (if not hate) of Catholics by many Baptists. Representative writers of this viewpoint include J.M Carroll, G.H. Orchard and J.M. Cramp.
In addition to the long-running debate over Baptist origins, a new debate is now prominent in Baptist life: the question over whether or not Baptists (and particularly Southern Baptists) are historically Calvinistic. along with Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, is doing an admirable job in championing the belief that Southern Baptists have always been strict (5 point) Calvinists. Their efforts do fall short of the truth, however, for although Baptists (including Southern Baptists) have certainly been influenced by Calvinism, they have also been much influenced by Arminianism, which historically served to moderate Calvinism and produce a warmly evangelistic theology as mirrored in the Great Awakenings. Most Baptists today hold beliefs from both Calvinistic and Arminian schools of thought.
Gibler, have you ever seen when Baptists who can agree about anything at the same time and the history proves it. Most Baptist are Calvinist in doctrine, but only 4 points of Calvinism can be defended by Scripture, whereas limited atonement can not be defended. Remember if it is not in Scripture you can not back up your doctrine, then you rely on personal experience over Scriptures as the Pentecostals do or you totally drawing out your own well and making up your own doctrine(like the cults, false preachers, and false teachers do), which makes you a liar. We all need to remember what Paul says in Romans 3:4, “let God be true, but every man a liar.” If we say things that are not in the bible (like relying on personal experience for truth or drawing out of our own well) then your are a liar. If a Pastor like Jeremiah Wright gets up in the pulpit and preaching Black Liberation Theology, which is not biblical, he is a big racist liar. Sprugeon states on “let God be true and every man a liar”- “It is a strange, strong expression; but it is none too strong. If God says one thing, and every man in the world says another, God is true, and all men are false.” (my emphasis).
Gibler, since you a Baptist by faith already much of this you may already know. But it is interesting to review. Now let us review some of the specific doctrinal differences between Baptist and Pentecostals, and see which has biblical teaching (God is true) or false teaching (left as a liar). I will give you many Scriptures to back up doctrinal teachings, so you can review them on your own or ignore them. I will use only three Pentecostal groups which are United Pentecostal Church, Church of God, and Assemblies of God. Their statement of beliefs willbe coming right of their own Declaration of Faith for each one, respectively. For the Baptist I will use the SBC statement of Faith. We will be talking about only the major doctrines. Please remember there are Baptists, Pentecostals, and charismatics who do not hold to any of the major doctrines, but they are the minority and do not count. NOW LETS RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
Scriptures
The Baptist believe the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy. There many Scriptures to support the inspiration of Scripture. (Exodus 24:4; Deuteronomy 4:1-2; 17:19; Joshua 8:34; Psalms 19:7-10; 119:11,89,105,140; Isaiah 34:16; 40:8; Jeremiah 15:16; 36:1-32; Matthew 5:17-18; 22:29; Luke 21:33; 24:44-46; John 5:39; 16:13-15; 17:17; Acts 2:16ff.; 17:11; Romans 15:4; 16:25-26; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 1:1-2; 4:12; 1 Peter 1:25; 2 Peter 1:19-21.)
The Pentecostals pretty much believe in the inspiration of Scripture. The United Pentecostal Church believes “In every United Pentecostal church pulpit the Word of God is honored and proclaimed to be infallible, the message of eternal life, to be believed and obeyed.” The Assemblies of God believe “The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.” The Church of God believe in “In the verbal inspiration of the Bible,” but not the plenary or written inspiration of the Word. There some differences, but what they preach much of the time is taking God’s Word out context and they spiritualize the verses, so they can have a personal experience based as truth and not the truth of the Scriptures alone. Gibler be aware that many of the cults and false teachings that we see today come out of the charismatic, Pentecostal movement.
Trinity- God the Father
The Baptist believe here is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.
God as Father reigns with providential care over His universe, His creatures, and the flow of the stream of human history according to the purposes of His grace. He is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and all wise. God is Father in truth to those who become children of God through faith in Jesus Christ. He is fatherly in His attitude toward all men. (Genesis 1:1; 2:7; Exodus 3:14; 6:2-3; 15:11ff.; 20:1ff.; Leviticus 22:2; Deuteronomy 6:4; 32:6; 1 Chronicles 29:10; Psalm 19:1-3; Isaiah 43:3,15; 64:8; Jeremiah 10:10; 17:13; Matthew 6:9ff.; 7:11; 23:9; 28:19; Mark 1:9-11; John 4:24; 5:26; 14:6-13; 17:1-8; Acts 1:7; Romans 8:14-15; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 4:6; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17; Hebrews 11:6; 12:9; 1 Peter 1:17; 1 John 5:7).
There is some great differences how some Pentecostal churches view God. The strangest is the United Pentecostal Church which believe “Biblical Christianity strongly held to the truth of One God... to allow more than one God would be to contradict God's Word and be idolatry, false doctrine, and polytheism.” The UPC believes in One God the Father, but does not believes He presents himself as God the Son, or as God the Holy Spirit, and this is false teaching. This is called “Oneness Pentecostalism.” T. D. Jakes of the Potter House in this camp. The Assemblies of God believe in one True God “revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).” The Church of God believe “in one God eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.” So there is some various in how different Pentecostals see God the Father and the Trinity.
God the Son
The Baptists have got this nailed down. They believe Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord.” (Genesis 18:1ff.; Psalms 2:7ff.; 110:1ff.; Isaiah 7:14; 53; Matthew 1:18-23; 3:17; 8:29; 11:27; 14:33; 16:16,27; 17:5; 27; 28:1-6,19; Mark 1:1; 3:11; Luke 1:35; 4:41; 22:70; 24:46; John 1:1-18,29; 10:30,38; 11:25-27; 12:44-50; 14:7-11; 16:15-16,28; 17:1-5, 21-22; 20:1-20,28; Acts 1:9; 2:22-24; 7:55-56; 9:4-5,20; Romans 1:3-4; 3:23-26; 5:6-21; 8:1-3,34; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2:2; 8:6; 15:1-8,24-28; 2 Corinthians 5:19-21; 8:9; Galatians 4:4-5; Ephesians 1:20; 3:11; 4:7-10; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:13-22; 2:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18; 1 Timothy 2:5-6; 3:16; Titus 2:13-14; Hebrews 1:1-3; 4:14-15; 7:14-28; 9:12-15,24-28; 12:2; 13:8; 1 Peter 2:21-25; 3:22; 1 John 1:7-9; 3:2; 4:14-15; 5:9; 2 John 7-9; Revelation 1:13-16; 5:9-14; 12:10-11; 13:8; 19:16).
· The Church of God believe “That Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father, conceived of the Holy Ghost, and born of the Virgin Mary. That Jesus was crucified, buried, and raised from the dead. That He ascended to heaven and is today at the right hand of the Father as the Intercessor.
· The Assemblies of God believe “in the deity of Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.” The United Pentecostal Church does not believe that Jesus is God’s Son.
God the Holy Spirit
The Baptist believe “the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, fully divine. He inspired holy men of old to write the Scriptures. Through illumination He enables men to understand truth. He exalts Christ. He convicts men of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. He calls men to the Saviour, and effects regeneration. At the moment of regeneration He baptizes every believer into the Body of Christ. He cultivates Christian character, comforts believers, and bestows the spiritual gifts by which they serve God through His church. He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption. His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ. He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism, and service.” (Genesis 1:2; Judges 14:6; Job 26:13; Psalms 51:11; 139:7ff.; Isaiah 61:1-3; Joel 2:28-32; Matthew 1:18; 3:16; 4:1; 12:28-32; 28:19; Mark 1:10,12; Luke 1:35; 4:1,18-19; 11:13; 12:12; 24:49; John 4:24; 14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7-14; Acts 1:8; 2:1-4,38; 4:31; 5:3; 6:3; 7:55; 8:17,39; 10:44; 13:2; 15:28; 16:6; 19:1-6; Romans 8:9-11,14-16,26-27; 1 Corinthians 2:10-14; 3:16; 12:3-11,13; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30; 5:18; 1 Thessalonians 5:19; 1 Timothy 3:16; 4:1; 2 Timothy 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 9:8,14; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 John 4:13; 5:6-7; Revelation 1:10; 22:17).
The Pentecostals are all over the page when it comes concerning the working of the Holy Spirit. The Assemblies believe that the One true God “revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).” The United Pentecostal Church does not believe the Holy Spirit as part of the Trinity. The Church of God believes in “one God eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.”
Man
The Baptist believe man is “the special creation of God, made in His own image. He created them male and female as the crowning work of His creation. The gift of gender is thus part of the goodness of God's creation. In the beginning man was innocent of sin and was endowed by his Creator with freedom of choice. By his free choice man sinned against God and brought sin into the human race. Through the temptation of Satan man transgressed the command of God, and fell from his original innocence whereby his posterity inherit a nature and an environment inclined toward sin. Therefore, as soon as moral action, they become transgressors and are under condemnation. Only the grace of God can bring man into His holy fellowship and enable man to fulfill the creative they are capable of purpose of God. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image, and in that Christ died for man; therefore, every person of every race possesses full dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love." (Genesis 1:26-30; 2:5,7,18-22; 3; 9:6; Psalms 1; 8:3-6; 32:1-5; 51:5; Isaiah 6:5; Jeremiah 17:5; Matthew 16:26; Acts 17:26-31; Romans 1:19-32; 3:10-18,23; 5:6,12,19; 6:6; 7:14-25; 8:14-18,29; 1 Corinthians 1:21-31; 15:19,21-22; Ephesians 2:1-22; Colossians 1:21-22; 3:9-11).
The Assembly of God believe “though originally good Man willingly fell from sin- ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.” The Church of God believes “that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and that repentance is commanded of God for all and necessary for forgiveness of sins.” The UPC believes “Through Adam, every person is born in sin and is condemned to physical as well as spiritual death (separation from God) because of Adam.” All four have gotten this doctrine right.
Salvation
The Baptist believe “Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, justification, sanctification, and glorification. There is no salvation apart from personal faith in Jesus Christ as Lord.
A. Regeneration, or the new birth, is a work of God's grace whereby believers become new creatures in Christ Jesus. It is a change of heart wrought by the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin, to which the sinner responds in repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Repentance and faith are inseparable experiences of grace.
Repentance is a genuine turning from sin toward God. Faith is the acceptance of Jesus Christ and commitment of the entire personality to Him as Lord and Saviour.
B. Justification is God's gracious and full acquittal upon principles of His righteousness of all sinners who repent and believe in Christ. Justification brings the believer unto a relationship of peace and favor with God.
C. Sanctification is the experience, beginning in regeneration, by which the believer is set apart to God's purposes, and is enabled to progress toward moral and spiritual maturity through the presence and power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him. Growth in grace should continue throughout the regenerate person's life.
D. Glorification is the culmination of salvation and is the final blessed and abiding state of the redeemed.
(Genesis 3:15; Exodus 3:14-17; 6:2-8; Matthew 1:21; 4:17; 16:21-26; 27:22-28:6; Luke 1:68-69; 2:28-32; John 1:11-14,29; 3:3-21,36; 5:24; 10:9,28-29; 15:1-16; 17:17; Acts 2:21; 4:12; 15:11; 16:30-31; 17:30-31; 20:32; Romans 1:16-18; 2:4; 3:23-25; 4:3ff.; 5:8-10; 6:1-23; 8:1-18,29-39; 10:9-10,13; 13:11-14; 1 Corinthians 1:18,30; 6:19-20; 15:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17-20; Galatians 2:20; 3:13; 5:22-25; 6:15; Ephesians 1:7; 2:8-22; 4:11-16; Philippians 2:12-13; Colossians 1:9-22; 3:1ff.; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; 2 Timothy 1:12; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 2:1-3).” 5:8-9; 9:24-28; 11:1-12:8,14; James 2:14-26; 1 Peter 1:2-23; 1 John 1:6-2:11; Revelation 3:20; 21:1-22:5.
Pentecostals and charismatics beleve in accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior to be saved is not a problem. It is what they believe about the Holy Spirit after one is saved that brings forth false teaching.
The Assemblies of God believe “every person can have a restored fellowship with God through ‘Salvation’ (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin). [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G].”
· The Church of God believe “that justification, regeneration, and the new birth are wrought by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.”
The UPC believes “Christ's death atoned for the sins of the world and is effective for those who accept Him as their Lord and Savior.
UNDERSTANDING THE PROBLEM WITH BAPTISIM, INDWELLING, SEALING, AND FILLING RELATED TO CHARISMATICS AND PENTECOSTALS.
We need to remember that regeneration, baptism of the Holy Spirit, indwelling of the Holy Spirit, filling of the Holy Spirit, and sealing of the Holy Spirit all take place as the time of SALVATION.
Regeneration and repentance mean the same thing. In Acts 2:38, it states “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” The word repent in the Greek is metanoeō which means to change one's mind for better or heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins. Peter is saying to metanoeō or change one’s mind for better and amend one’s past sins and then be baptized everyone in the name Jesus Christ for the remissions of sins (this is reference to water baptism and not baptism of the Holy Spirit), and then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. We change our mind for the better by asking for forgiveness of our sins and ask Jesus as our Saviour and this is being born again. We repent of our sins becoming saved then we are baptized with water. Catholics and UPC believe the baptizing with water will save you and this is false teaching.
Now let us look at regeneration. Titus 3:5 states “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.” Regeneration in the Greek is paliggenesia means a radical change of mind for the better whereas metanoeō to change one's mind for better, so they mean the same thing. Paul is telling us in Titus 3:5 that is not by works of righteousness that we do, but it is washing or loutron (meaning spiritual cleansing) of the radical change of mind (regeneration, repentance, salvation, or being born again), and a renewing of the Holy Spirit.
So this regeneration, repentance, or radical change of mind to accept Christ as Our Savior takes place the point of Salvation, and the baptism in water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins (this is an outward baptism with water not baptism of the Holy Spirit), and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (at the time of conversion), which put us in communion with the Father and the Son. Acts 2:38 fulfills John 3:5 which states “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (fulfilled by the be baptized for the remission of sins) and [of] the Spirit (fulfilled by ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
Pentecostals and charismatics do not have a problem with being regenerated or repentant by accepting Jesus as Savior.
BAPTISIM of the Holy Spirit takes place at Salvation and the Pentecostals and charismatics are really screwed up on this one.
John in 1:32-34 tells us that Jesus is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit which states “And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.” Seven times the N.T. mentions this ministry of Jesus. Five are prophetic (Matt. 3:11; Mk. 1:8; Jn. 1:32-34; Lk. 3:16; Acts 1:5), one is historical (Acts 11:16-18), and one is doctrinal which will talk about next.
Every born again believer is placed in union with Jesus Christ at the moment of salvation by the Holy Spirit. This is doctrinally indicated in 1 Cor. 12:13. which states “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body (Paul is speaking of a spiritual baptism by one spirit into one body at time of conversion), whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit(one Holy Spirit).” We are baptized by the same Holy Spirit into one body (the Church) at one conversion (at time of our own salvational experience), and drink of the same Holy Spirit.
The Pentecostal and charismatics have a problem with this verse because it throws out the window of teaching they have in which they believe erroneously that believers are baptized after the point of salvation. They call this the second blessing or to be more exact it is doctrine of subsequence. In the doctrine of subsequence Pentecostals believe that for Christians a baptism in the Spirit is distinct and subsequent to the experience of salvation, and the doctrine of tongues as the initial physical evidence of baptism in the Spirit. Frederick Dale Brunner has done much investigation about this doctrine stated in A Theology of the Holy Spirit “Pentecostals believe that the Spirit has baptized every believer into Christ (conversion), but that Christ has not baptized every believer into the Spirit (Pentecost). Not only do most charismatics believe that the baptism of the Spirit happens at some point after salvation, but most believe that Spirit baptism is something Christians must seek. The most important characteristics of the Pentecostal understanding of the baptism of the Holy Spirit are: (1) that the event is usually “distinct from and subsequent to” the new birth; (2) that it is evidenced initially by the sign of speaking in other tongues; (3) that it must be “earnestly” sought.” This is totally false doctrine based on 1 Cor. 12:13 as Paul states for by one spirit we are all baptized into one body (at time of one new birth) and we all drink of one Holy Spirit. There is no subsequence here.
The UPC, Assembly of God, and Church of God believe in this false doctrine.
The Pentecostal feel like you have to have repeated “baptisms of the Holy Spirit” separate from salvation. This is where I was stating they put Personal Experience over Biblical Truth.
The speaking in tongues at time of Acts was an actual speaking in languages. God the Father allowed speaking in languages to occur only at the beginning of the Church, so as to help evangelize the gospel in the New Christian Church at the time of Acts. The Mickey Mouse gibberish the Pentecostals and charismatics exhibit and so “earnestly seek” is called glossolalia. Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 13:8 that “Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.” The word cease is pauō which means tongues will cease permanently. Speaking in tongues has ceased according to 1 Cor. 13:8. The reason God would say this because we now have the entire canon called the Holy Bible. God knows what He is doing.
INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Baptist believe that a Christian is indwelled with the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation and new birth. This is mentioned above in section “God and the Holy Spirit.”
This is best shown in 1 Cor. 3:16 which states “Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?”
The UPC, Assembly of God, and Church of God do not say anything specific about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but they do get this confused and intertwined in the repeated “earnestly” seeking repeated baptisms of the Holy Spirit, and speaking in tongues.
SEALING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AT TIME OF SALVATION
The Baptist’s believe that Holy “seals the believer unto the day of final redemption.” This comes from Eph. 4:30 which states “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
The UPC, Assembly of God, and Church of God do not mention anything about the sealing of the Holy Spirit in Statements of Faith. Pentecostals and charismatics are anemic on this doctrine.
FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AT SALVATION
The Baptist’s Faith Statement does not mention a filling specifically but refers to it as “His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ.”
To understand what this filling of the Holy Spirit, one needs remember
at the moment of salvation, every believer is filled with the Holy Spirit. This principle is presented in Acts 2:1-4 which states “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” These original Christians were Jewish Age believers, but when they were baptized by the Spirit into the body first, then they were filled with the Spirit, and they evangelized in the Spirit. The principle here is that at the moment you become a Christian at salvation, you are filled with the Spirit. You regain the filling of God the Holy Spirit afterwards through the confession of known sin to God the Father whenever necessary. Once filled with the Spirit, you can now take in the Word of God on a daily basis. We need to seek a filling of the Holy Spirit daily. But we can terminate the filling of the Holy Spirit when you convert temptation into sin.
By obeying the Lord, you will know the fullness and power of the Holy Spirit.
Pentecostals and charismatics are apparently confused. They confuse Spirit baptism, which places the Christian in the body of Christ, and the fullness (filling) of the Spirit. They speak of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the fullness (filling) as if they were the same and they are not.
Baptism and Lord’s Supper
The Baptist believe that “Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.”
The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.
(Matthew 3:13-17; 26:26-30; 28:19-20; Mark 1:9-11; 14:22-26; Luke 3:21-22; 22:19-20; John 3:23; Acts 2:41-42; 8:35-39; 16:30-33; 20:7; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21; 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12).”
The Assemblies of God “believe and practice two ordinances- (1)water baptism by immersion, after repenting of one's sins and receiving Christ's gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's suffering and death for our salvation.” The Statement of Faith did not say they did not baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The AOG have these two ordinances correct, but they still expect the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking of tongues to subsequent to the salvation experience.
· The Church of God starts to get a little weird. They believe in “In water baptism by immersion, and all who repent should be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” And they believe “In the Lord's Supper and washing of the saints' feet.” There is nothing biblical about Holy Communion requiring the washing of feet. False doctrine.
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The United Pentecostal Church gets even more weird. United Pentecostalists is heightened by their insistance that water baptism is more than an act of obedience by declaring the act as a salvation requirement. United Pentecostals will insist that, to be saved, water baptism must be done exclusively with the words "in the name of Jesus" only, to the exclusion of God the Father and Holy Spirit. No where in Scripture does it say that water baptism will save you and is a requirement for being born again, and Jesus said to baptize in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The being baptized in the name of Jesus Only is why they are called “Oneness Pentecostals.” Some Apologist call the UPC a cult, but I feel they do not completely fit the mold to be called a cult, but they have many false teaching, false doctrines, and practices as mentioned here, and they are spiritually abusive in demanding women adhere to their strict dress code.
Gibler, I have shown you the major doctrinal differences between Baptist and Pentecostals/charismatics so you can use this to broaden your own knowledge base and you can see there is plenty of false doctrine to which Pentecostals believe in. Based on the other part of your original question “my children is coming from a catholic school and i want to transfer them to a Christian school we are baptist would there be a difference because the school is Pentecostal?” Upon all of the above information, I feel you would not want to put them in a Pentecostal school as they are going to be taught doctrines that are totally contrary to your belief system as a Baptist, and some of it is false doctrine.
Gibler, put your children in a large Baptist school that has athletic programs, check out their academic programs, how well do their graduates do on the ACT/SCT test and in college in general, and check out their statement of faith first. Have your children visit the school with you. Ask the school to give you names of other parents who have children in the Baptist school so that you can call them for information about their school. If the school would feel uncomfortable in giving you names of parents that you could talk to, then they maybe hiding something, and go find another school.
Also check out some of the nondenominational schools as sometimes they can be best schools. I know in the DFW area these are the strongest schools, do the best academically, and have excellent athletic programs. Also follow the same steps mentioned above in checking them out also.
Gibler, before you do anything pray and ask God to show you what school he would want you to put your children in. A father’s Godly discernment is a mighty tool in the welfare of his children.
God Bless You In This Endeavor.
Rev. Dr. Don Howe, RN, PhD, ThD.