Baptists/Trinity and Jews
Expert: Dr. Ronald E. Shultz - 8/11/2008
QuestionDoes Jews also believes in trinity ?
What about Adam , Cain , Noah, Abraham, Isac , Jacob , David Solomon, Daniel , Do they believe Lord Jesus is God ?
AnswerOutside of some groups of Messianic Jews the answer is no. Because God punished Israel so often for its idolatry the Jews have become very strict montheists despite what their own Scriptures and their language indicates.
Some Messianic Jews hold to something simuilar as to what the Jehovah Witnesses believe about Christ and others would have a similar modal view like the United Pentecostal Church and others that Christ was the Father and He is the Spirit as well. Yet, Christ prayed to the Father in the garden and promised to send another comforter the Spirit who would lead them into all truth. Other passages also prove modalism to be wrong. Modalism makes God either schziophrenic or a liar and He is neither.
First, you need to understand the word trinity is not used in Scripture. Trinity is a shortened form of tri-unity which was coined to help explain the doctrine or teaching that the Word gave us about the personage of God. Many detractors use the ruse of attacking the word to attack the doctrine and that is just not logical nor intellectually honest.
Adam walked with God and how much of Himself He revealed to Adam I can't rightly say. Cain believed the same as Adam but he either misunderstood what God required for sin or was just too proud to adhere to it. Hence he murdered Abel who did get it and obeyed. Abraham was the friend of God so it would be logical that he knew.
All we really know about Adam through Jacob is what God had Moses record. Moses used the term Elohim, which is a plural as well as the descriptive echad that denotes a composite unity for the word one in Duet 6:4 which is the foundation of Hebrew theology.
shama Yisra'el Yehovah 'elohiym echad Yehovah
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD Deut 6:4 KJV
This is the seminal passage for Hebrew montheism, which was the only montheist theology at the time God inspired Moses to write, yet the very verse speaks in Hebrew to a oneness of unity versus a one and only one concept. Numbers 13:23 uses echad speaking of one cluster of grapes. One cluster but numerous individual grapes within that cluster. Tied with the plural elohiym that makes perfect sense.
In Genesis, God is saying let US make man in OUR image and when Adam fell God says that he had become as one of THEM. We believe that man is a tripartite or three in one being made up of body, soul and spirit. These three make us the one person that we are and that would be a vague example of the Godhead. The three persons are one in a way that we cannot fully explain or comprehend since our minds are finite and flawed.
Daniel spoke with God and interacted with angels as well as studied the Word. I am sure that he understood the concept.
David - Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. KJV
Matt 22:42-46
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. KJV
David knew of a Son that was God so there is two of the three and in Psalm 51 he begged God to not take "thy holy spirit" from him acknowledging the third person so I would have to say that David understood and believed in the trinity concept though he did not have the word to describe it.
Isa 48:12-16
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. KJV
Isaiah definitely understood it.
Zechariah got it.
Zech 12:9-10
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. KJV
This is God speaking and He says they shall look upon Him whom they pierced. A spirit cannot be pierced but the Son could be since He would be coming in the flesh to be crucified for our sins.
So, should the Jews believe in the tri-unity, trinity, composite unity of the ONE God? Yes, but they should also believe in Yeshua ha
mashiyach/Jesus the Messiah but they don't and that is sad.
Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. KJV
It is their birthright and given first to them. We Gentiles are blessed by their rejection but we should be praying for their salvation and seeking to reach them with the Gospel.
I hope this was helpful to you. Blessinsgs to you as you seek His will through His Word!