Baptists/Thanksgiving for Unsaved

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It is common among Christians to conduct Thanks-giving services for the loved ones departed with the sentiment that they are with God. In event it is a known fact the departed soul is not SAVED isn’t the rationale of this act is unfounded?

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Hmm, it is not practiced by Baptists here in the US.  I assume you are referring to something like the Day of the Dead practiced by Latino Catholics primarily, but is spreading around the world.  Technically, the only ones who know for certain that a person is saved is that person and God.  Many people who claim to be saved and may even seem to be saved by our perspective may not be saved and are tares.  People who live an unsaved life can be saved even as they are dying so while we may think they went to Hell they actually went to Heaven.  All I can go on is their profession of faith and if they at least seem to be bringing forth fruit or seeking to grow in God. I have known people who thought they were saved for years and then came to the conviction that they were not saved and got it settled.  

When people die the funeral is about the living and not the dead.  Even lost people are loved and so you are there to comfort the loved ones and point them to Christ.  This can be done without saying where you think the person is in the next life.  Unless I am told the person was a professing believer I don't say one way or the other and concentrate on the living.

Some Christians, especially of Indian origin, do have a memorial service one year after the death of a loved one and this usually is where people speak of what the person meant to them.  Yes, in the course of that, someone may speak of the person being in Heaven because that is their heart's hope. The heart often speaks what the brain does not want to comprehend.  No one wants a loved one in Hell.  I am not going to pull them to the side and tell them that it is more likely their loved one is in Hell.  I suppose if the person was a blatant atheist I could be somewhat assured that they are in Hell, but many professed atheists have changed their mind and sought God in their final moments.  

Hence, it is hard to say in many cases that it is a known fact that the person went to Hell. Yes, I am confident that Hitler, Stalin and some others are in Hell, but since I only deal with average people and do not know all the facts I avoid making that call with them.  I have had many situations where it would be hard pressed for me to look at the person's life and say they are not in Hell, but since I will only be in Heaven by the grace of God and I know the new birth can happen in a manner of minutes I still have to say I don't know.  If I were at his bedside when he died screaming about the flames and demons then without a doubt I  know they went to Hell. Other than that I hope they were saved in their last breath.

Would a thanksgiving service for a person in Hell be unfounded?  Maybe, if you know for sure they are in Hell, but still if the person did some things that touched someone's life in a positive way it is OK to be thankful to God for that without saying anything about where they might be presently located.  The service is about the person's life not his/her after life address. Such a service in not required by God.  This is something people came up with to help them with their grief.  It may now only be a ritual or tradition.  If it is not really helping the grief process then it should be discontinued, but it is unlikely that will happen.  Traditions and rituals die hard.

Don't let this be a stumbling block in your faith. If it bothers you, do not attend such a service and make your will known that you do not want such a thing at your death.  I don't believe that it is a sin.  A mistake, maybe, but not a sin.  

Peace be unto you as you seek to walk in His will revealed in His Word and by His Spirit.  

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Dr. Ronald E. Shultz

Expertise

I am more of a polemicist than an apologist. I especially desire to answer questions concerning discipleship/holiness, "gray areas", etc. If all you wish is an argument then I am not your man. Sincere seekers only need e-mail me.

Experience

I have ministered in several states since my conversion in 1975. I participate in many forums and have written two books.

Organizations
American Association of Christian Counselors since 2009
Texas Civil Defense since 2008
American Legion since 2002
Honorable Order of Kentucky Colonels, since 1994
Life Member NCOA, 1973
Dover AFB Honor Guard, 1971-73

Publications
Poem, "Cowboy Up" published in an anthology by American Poets Society, 2004
Author, Jail House Religion, Xulon Press, 2004
Author, The Power of Holy Women, Xulon Press, 2003
Messianic Literary Corner published 45 poems, 2003+
Tract “Which Way To God” published on http://www.tracts.com/whichway.html, 1998
Several poems published on various web pages, 1997,1998,1999
Author, Metamorphosis, copyrighted, partially published collection of poetry, 1968-94
Article, “Why I Prefer Expository Preaching”, published in Canyonview Bible Seminary's Expositor, 1988

Education/Credentials
Doctor of Theology, Slidell Baptist Seminary, Slidell, LA, 2001, Summa Cum Laude
Master of Theology, Christian Bible College, Rocky Mount, NC, 2000, Summa Cum Laude
Bachelor of Religious Education , Administration minor, Piedmont Baptist College, Winston-Salem, NC, 1982, Cum Laude
Evangelical Teacher Training Association, Teachers Diploma, Winston-Salem, NC, 1982
Other study: Community College of the Air Force, Maxwell AFB, AL - 1975-78
Upper Iowa University, Fayette, IA - 1976-77
Interim Ministry For Today's Churches - 2000


Awards and Honors
Heritage Registry of Who's Who, 2006-2007
Editor's Choice Award, International Library of Poetry, 2003
America's Registry of Outstanding Professionals 2001-2002
Stratmore Who's Who, 2001-2002
Guest Speaker Texas A&M, Commerce, 1999
Gubernatorial Commendation by Texas Veterans Commission, 1999
Dallas VA Certificate of Pride in Public Service, 1999
Guest on the Kevin Bullard radio program KPBC AM 770,1997
Who's Who in the South and Southwest, 1996
Editor's Choice Award, National Library of Poetry, 1995
Who's Who in Poetry, 1992
United States Army Achievement Medal, 1990
Personal testimony dramatized for international radio program Unshackled, 1986
Outstanding Young Men of the South, 1981
United States Air Force Commendation Medal, 1978
Two USAF suggestion awards, 1976
NCO of the Quarter, 1975
Freedom Foundation Award, 1975

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