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QUESTION: In the second paragraph, I cannot understand this sentence and feel it may even be grammatically incorrect. Can you reword it for me?
The question they asked was, "What shall be the sign when will you return will be the end of this present age?"
Also, last sentence in the 2nd paragraph, "The dispensation of the Church Age that was are presently in had not begun" is not grammatically correct. Did you mean to write, "The dispensation of the Church Age that we are presently in had not begun"?

You and Irvin Baxter should debate each other on this subject.

   Thanks for pointing out the typo.  Yes you are correct that the sentence should read "The dispensation of the Church Age that we are presently in had not begun."
Thank your for writing.
Cooper Abrams

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QUESTION: Can you reword this question for me?

"The question they asked was, "What shall be the sign when will you return will be the end of this present age?"

Can I understand it better as  "What shall be the sign when you return at the end of this present age?"

Hi Eric,
  I thought I did reword it in my response. ( I also to avoid confusion reworded the article to make it clear that when Christ made this statement to His disciple there was no church (ekklesia) because the Church Age had yet not begun. They were not asking a question about the Church Age, but of the coming promised Kingdom to Israel which would come at the end of the Old Testament Age.  
    However, the ekklesia did begin when Jesus instituted and empowered it as as recorded in Acts 2.   There was no Church Age saints or Christians until Christ began the "ekklesia."   (No believer in the Church Age was called at Christian until Acts 11:26 at Antioch.   
   I hope this helps, however, it not please forward any further questions.


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Cooper P. Abrams III


Independent Fundamental Baptist missionary and pastor, ThB, MBS, and PhD as of May 28, 2013. I began pastoring in 1981, and have taught in churches, a Bible college, and a Bible Institute. I have written numerous articles on various subjects from a biblical perspective and many are posted on my web site Bible Truth ( ). Bible Truth receives over one hundred and forty thousand visiters per month. Since 1998 I have answered Bible related questions via e-mail. My answers are straight forward and biblical. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE -----DO NOT ASK A QUESTION AND THEN NOT READ THE ANSWER! ABOUT FOUR IN TEN QUESTIONS ASKED ARE NEVER READ. I FREELY GIVE MY TIME TO GIVE HELPFUL ANSWERS. OFTEN THE ANSWER WILL REQUIRE AS MUCH AS A HOUR OR MORE TO RESEARCH AND THEN TO FORMULATE THE REPLY. IF YOU SEND A QUESTION PLEASE BE THOUGHTFUL ENOUGH TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT. MOST PEOPLE DO...BUT ALL SHOULD. THANKS


I have been a pastor since 1981 and a Independent Baptist missionary church planter since 1986. I have seen the Lord establish four Bible believing churches in Utah. My web site Bible Truth ( http:\\ ) continues to grow presently over 7,000 visiters per day. The materials on the web site are mostly written by myself and contain sermons, Bible commentaries, articles on various biblical subjects.

I am pastor of Calvary Baptist Church, Tremonoton, Utah (

- Appeared on Grizzly Adams DVD documentary "End Times: How Close Are We?" ( - Article "Are Mormons Christians" "O Timothy Magazine" Way of Life Literature (

ThB (Bachelor Degree in Theology) Piedmont Bible College, Winston-Salem, NC. MBS (Mastor of Biblical Studies) Piedmont Baptist College, Winston-Salem, NC. PhD (Bible) Bethany Divinity College and Seminary, Dothan, AL

Awards and Honors
Graduated Suma Com Laude with PhD Religion - Bible Major, Bethany Divinity College and Seminary - 2013

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