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Lance wrote at 2007-06-23 03:30:11
mark 1 [9] And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.



1 peter 3 [20] Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

[21] The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

BAPTISIM DOES SAVE


bopper wrote at 2007-06-29 05:45:48
Faith only is found only once in the bible and it is preceded by the word "NOT"

James 2


luke wrote at 2007-07-24 04:07:40
Hello,



I would just like to say you have made me even more confused. I decided to go read your verses that you mentioned and i guess you must have looked over something.



In Acts chapter 16 verse 30-31 cleary does state that if you believe on jesus you will be saved, and your house, but you failed to mention the verses following, dont worry i see this all the time. in verse 32 it clearly states at that hour the guard took paul and silas to his home and they baptized him and his family.



Now, when reading the bible we need to remember to take everything into the effect, not just one verse. yes we are saved through grace and our faith in jesus, but we also must put on christ? how do we do that? ill leave you with two verses romans 6:1-14

romans 3:23 keyword: all  


Nick wrote at 2007-07-27 05:33:35
I firmly agree that faith is most important if you plan on being a Christian. Works is the way we show our faith.



JAMES 2:17

So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

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If faith alone saves us than are not the demons also saved for they know there is a God.



James 2:19

You believe that God is one :you do well. Even demons believe and shudder.

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I would like to see someone show me their faith and not show me their works. For it is by works that we show our faith.



James 2:18

But someone will say, "you have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

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James 2:24

You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

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James 2:26

For as the body apart form the spirit is dead, so also faith apart form works is dead.

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Baptism is essential to salvation and it is proven so in the bible.



John 3:5

Jesus answered,"Truly, truly, I say to you , unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

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Mark 16:16

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whomever does not believe will be condemned.

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Christ commanded the eleven to baptize.



Matthew 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

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Galatians 3:27

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

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I Peter 3:21

Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you , not as a removal of dirt form the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

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Baptism is essential and it says so in the Bible.



Communion is another major issue.



The early Christians broke bread on the first day of the week.



Acts 20:7

On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

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The Church of Christ communions once a week, but Baptist only commune once a quarter or for special occasions.



Leadership of the Church is a issue we should look into also.



The Bible uses the terms Bishop, Elder, Overseer, and Pastor in the same senses. The leaders of the Church.



Not any man can be a leader of the Church it says so in the Bible.



1 Timothy 3:1-7

The saying is trustworthy: if anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's Church. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil."



Titus 1:5-9

"This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order and appoint elders in every town as I directed you--If anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer as God's steward must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered, or a drunkard, or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it."

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The Church of Christ usually refers to their leaders as elders but this is synonymous to Bishop or Overseer or Pastor. These men are fit to the above description.



Baptist leaders/preachers are usually called Pastors and usually fit the description above, but are not required to by the Baptist Church. By that I mean they are often not married, nor have believing children, or children old enough to understand the commitment involved.  If they are right out of seminary or college, they themselves are not mature enough to make spiritual decisions for their membership, who have many life experiences a very young man would have no knowledge or experience base to understand.



Both the Church of Christ and the Baptist Church have deacons. They are also mentioned in the Bible.



1 Timothy 3:8-13

Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first: then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

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A less important issue is musical instrumentation in worship.



Both the Church of Christ and the Baptist Church hold songs and hymns very important. Both Churches feel it helps them spiritually as they proceed in their faith of Jesus Christ.



However the Church of Christ omits the use of musical instruments during worship not because the Bible says not to use them, but because it never says to use them. The Baptist Church like many other Churches use them because they feel it helps them spiritually.



On this the Bible says

Ephesians 5:19

...addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart...

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Either way singing songs is a good scriptural way to strengthen your relationship with Christ.



I hope that you make the right decision in choosing a Church. It is a very important decision.



In Christ,

Nick  


Phil J. Harmon wrote at 2007-09-05 05:27:55
In Act 2:38 the Baptist say the word "FOR" means "BECAUSE OF" when referring to Baptism and remission of sins.  But they say it means "UNTO" when it comes to the word REPENT in this scripture for remission of sins.  It is impossible to mean one thing for Baptism and another for Repent since both words are put together with the word "AND" referring to remission of sins.


Michael T. Simpson wrote at 2007-09-07 01:42:42
The logic of using "for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38) to mean "because of the remission of sins" is inconsistent when taken in consideration of the same Greek usage used in Matt 26:28 "for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."  If one inserted that logic it would read that Christ shed His blood because sins were forgiven already.  Obviously, we know that Christ shed His blood so we can have remission of sins, not because they were remitted already.  Same logic with baptism.  We are  baptized for the remission of sins, not because the sins are already forgiven.



Thank you for your time,



Michael


grandma wrote at 2007-10-04 23:55:11
I am a member of the church of Christ, and I believe you have left out a few things. And I notice this says if you like the answer it will be published, so I have the feeling because of where it's coming from it probably won't.

The church I attend teaches saved by grace through faith and baptism is because of that faith.

In Acts 2:38 Peter replied: Repent and be baptized every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our God call.

41 Those who accepted his message were baptized and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Simon himself believed and was baptized.

And what about Mark 16:15 "When Jesus said "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.  16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

and then there's Roman's 6:3,4 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

We are saved by God's grace through faith, but if in even one instance that baptism is mentioned as a part of salvation then why leave it out?

Even the devil believes in Christ, is he saved?

And as far as the thief on the cross, Jesus was right there in person, and as the scripture reads, the thief was told he'd be in paradise...

There are other differences in the beliefs..we have elders, because the scriptures say that the churches were told to appoint elders and we have deacons. We also take communion each Lord's Day.

The disciples came together on the first day of the week to break bread. I have heard that some denominations think if it's done too many times it loses it's meaning. It doesn't lose it's meaning at all. If anything, it's more precious each time. I mean, most denominations sing each week, take up money each week, why not remember our Lord by taking the supper?

Most Churches of Christ don't have musical instruments..we don't because we prefer not to. We've been to churches that do have instruments, and most of the time it's so loud it drowns out the beauty of the voices.



There are some differences, but what we have in common is we love God, and believe that Jesus is His Son.  


Vivian wrote at 2007-10-26 03:34:02
Pastor John speaks the truth, but not the whole truth.  Acts 16:31 does say, "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." but he leaves out verse 33, in which it states

"And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes; and waws baptized, he and all his straight away."

  so in fact, if you want to be saved, you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but many people believe that Jesus lived, althought, they do not believe that he died for our sins.

 Baptism cleans you of all of your sins, showing that you not only believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but you belive that he died for you, giving you the gift of eternal life.


Calvin wrote at 2007-11-15 16:24:21
If your church was founded by man, then it's wrong all together- as Christ is the head of the Church. "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."(Ephesians 5:23)



If Christ established the church, then that means that it is his church!



Therefore, you should bare no other name except Christ's name. Hence, the "Church of Christ", not "Baptist" not "Methodist", not "Mormon"!



You can NOT be a Baptist and also be a Christian!



A Christian is a follower of Christ. If you are not worshiping Christ the correct way that was laid out in the Bible, then you are worhshiping in vain!



Matthew 15:9- "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."



Mark 7:7- "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."



The Church of Christ is the only church that can be found in the bible!



Romains 16:16- "Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you."



I know that there are tons of other religions, churches, organizations and institutions who all claim that they are the 1 true church.



But the Bible specifically states "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat" (Matthew 7:13)



As a result, to confirm that the Church of Christ is the only church that Christ will return for is accurate and proven in the Bible, you should study yourself so that you will see the truth and not go by what any man says!



2 Timothey 2:15- "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."



If you have any additional questions to prove to you that the Church of Christ is the ONLY true church, then please feel free to reply. I will be more than happy to show you what the word of God says, and not what I think!



God bless you!




Calvin wrote at 2007-11-19 18:11:24
If your church was founded by man, then it's wrong all together- as Christ is the head of the Church. "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."(Ephesians 5:23)







If Christ established the church, then that means that it is his church!







Therefore, you should bare no other name except Christ's name. Hence, the "Church of Christ", not "Baptist" not "Methodist", not "Mormon"!







You can NOT be a Baptist and also be a Christian!







A Christian is a follower of Christ. If you are not worshiping Christ the correct way that was laid out in the Bible, then you are worhshiping in vain!







Matthew 15:9- "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."







Mark 7:7- "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."







The Church of Christ is the only church that can be found in the bible!







Romains 16:16- "Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you."







I know that there are tons of other religions, churches, organizations and institutions who all claim that they are the 1 true church.







But the Bible specifically states "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat" (Matthew 7:13)







As a result, to confirm that the Church of Christ is the only church that Christ will return for is accurate and proven in the Bible, you should study yourself so that you will see the truth and not go by what any man says!







2 Timothey 2:15- "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."







If you have any additional questions to prove to you that the Church of Christ is the ONLY true church, then please feel free to reply. I will be more than happy to show you what the word of God says, and not what I think!





God bless you!"




Doug wrote at 2008-03-05 21:50:41
Chris,

I urge to read into the context of the verses that Don referred to. Consider this, if baptism is not essential, why is it that every conversion in the book of Acts involved being baptized? Why was Paul baptized to "wash away thy sins" if he was saved on the road to Damascus? He was blind for three days and prayed the whole time. Apparently that wasnt enough because Annanias told him to "arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins" (Acts 22:16 I urge you to read the whole chapter and the whole book of Acts for that matter.... see below).



Baptism in the book of Acts

Acts 2:41 (Pentecost)  

Acts 8:36-39 (Ethiopian eunuch)  

Acts 8:16 (Samaritans)  

Acts 10:48 (Cornelius & friends)  

Acts 16:15 (Lydia)  

Acts 18:8 (believers in Corinth)  

Acts 19:5

Acts 22:16 (Paul) - after he was blinded to "wash away thy sins"



As for Don saying that the ONLY proof text that the churches of Christ use for their baptism arguement is Acts 2:38. That is not true. You have to read the whole New Testament to fully get its message. I urge you and Don to read Mark 16:15-16. Christ himself says "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". Christ also says in Matt 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". There are many others I can share with you but I urge you and Don to examine the scriptures daily and take God's word for it.... not mine.



As for the theif on the cross, he was living under the old law that died with Christ (Col 2:14). Don should know that the church was not extablished until the day of Penecost in Acts chapter 2 (Again I urge you to read the whole chapter.... and book).



There are many other references that I would love to share if you and Don are interested.


Sunshine wrote at 2008-09-02 02:23:11
Dear Chris,



I too am having the same problem. When I came across this answer I decided to look up each passage for myself. Most people give you the passage that justifies what they believe but if you read the passages after Acts 16: 30-31 it also states that 32They spake unto him the word of the Lord, and all that were in his house. 33 And he took them and in the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straight away.



So, you must have faith, but also baptism.


Rick A. wrote at 2008-10-05 04:59:16
Chris and Sunshine,



One thing that both baptists and church of christ have overlooked is the immediate context of the passage.  Both assume that the 3000 were LOST and that Peter is dealing with salvation.  If you read the sermon that Peter preaches, you'll see that he is not addressing the matter of eternal salvation of one's soul.  No where in that passage does he refer to Jesus death as being sacrificial, substitutionary, or atonal.  He is simply addressing the sin at hand, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, their King.



The baptist (and I'm one) will rig the grammar and rely on overall biblical context to teach salvation by faith alone.  The church of christ is correct in their grammatical interpretation and us it to support their teaching that salvation is not by faith alone.  Both have ignored the immediate and historical context of the passage.  



There's a lot to look at, I just want to point you in the right direction.  There is not indication that these people are lost people in the text.  It is merely an assumption we make.  Were they saved?  No necessarily.  But it is feesible to count them, as Abraham, justified by faith.  In other words, we're looking at old testament saints that have crossed over into a new age.  God has to do something with them.  Jesus prayed, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."  What did they do?  They crucified the Messiah.  And that is exactly what Peter is preaching about.



Acts 2 is a narrative of how God takes his old testament saints, remnant, and transitions them to the church, forgives them, and gives them the Holy Ghost.  These are God's people we're dealing with, not LOST people.  Therefore, it is not a salvation scripture.  The church of christ doctrine falls apart and the baptist realizes he's been mishandling the word of God.  That's why you're not going to read this anywhere else.  


COC Member wrote at 2009-01-13 07:24:22
While there was no baptism with the thief on the cross, that was before Jesus died. The new laws and the new promises of God were based on Jesus being sacrifed and were not put into effect until his death. Christ forgave the thief however as I stated before, the new laws were only put into effect after Christ died. In the new law, baptism is one of the requirements for true salvation in the Church of Christ.


David Sharpe wrote at 2009-02-28 23:49:55
I wanted to go into this long debate with you about about baptism, but I'd rather let the bible do the talking instead. Here are scriptures that tell you about baptism.Matthew 28:19, mark 16:16, John 3:5; 3:22; 4:2, Acts 10:48, Acts 22:16, romans 6:3, ! Corinthians 12:13, Galations 3:27, Colossians 2:12, Peter 3:21. and I could give you about 15 more scriptures with examples and so on, but i won't unless you want them. These scriptures all talk about baptism and i want to know if you want to find something Greek with all of these? Be my guest i would love to see what you find out, but baptism is necessary. Those scriptures you had about grace talks about the grace of God and how he came down to die on the cross for our sins and it is nothing that we deserved. And in Acts 16 if you read through 33 you see that they as well got baptized. I'm only 19 and was baptized at the age of 8, so i do not pretend to know everything and i don't know about how the thief on the cross worked, but my guess is through Jesus ultimate wisdom and kindness and mercy knew in his heart that the thief was being sincere and knew that he would not have a chance to be baptized because he was about to die. So he said you will be with me in paradise. I Hope This Helps.


Sacmarata wrote at 2009-06-14 12:21:35
Please note that in all examples of conversion in the book of Acts (the only book where conversion is found) that the individual, after hearing the word, was baptized (emmersed in water) just as Christ himself was baptized "to fulfill all righteousness" (Mat 3:15).  



The thief on the cross is brought up regularly to support certain beliefs that baptism isn't required but there are a few things to note about this example.

The first and most obvious being that we don't know if the thief was already baptized or not.

The author of the previous post assumes that the thief was not baptized already.  Based upon what???  With John the baptist preparing the way for years and Jesus' ministry affecting thousands and thousands of people in every community, along with the thief's confession would actually lead one to likely assume that the thief WAS baptized.

The thief had obviously known and heard about Jesus.  He knew he was without fault.  He knew Jesus was coming to establish his kingdom.  He understood sin and knew he was receiving due punishment.  This sounds like a guy who had heard the gospel.  Well, what does the gospel say about salvation?  Jesus said "Whoever believes and is baptised will be saved..." in Mark 16:16.  This along with John the baptists teachings (they called him "THE BAPTIST" for Pete's sake :) would likely cause us to assume he WAS baptized.



Here's the kicker though...Jesus (God on earth) can do as he pleases.  He is the creator of the law and author of life.  If he wants to save a person who hasn't been baptized he can if he so chooses.  Exodus 33:19 says "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and compassion on whom I will have compassion".  This alone shows that if God so chooses he can save at will.  See Romans chapter 9 for a great explanation of why this statement doesn't mean nothing is required from us however.

The fact that the new covenant hadn't been established yet by Jesus' death and ressurection also shows that the thief was still under Mosaic law and not the new covenant.  However...since the New covenant was established all examples of conversion in the Bible included immersion in water (baptism).



I hope this helps.



The fatal error here though besides assuming  


Tino88 wrote at 2010-05-20 00:36:35
Please let me add that baptism is like taking a bath, with Jesus doing the washing.  Baptism isn't a work that the person does....Jesus does all of the work.  Christians are saved completely by God's grace.  I also encourage you to read the chapter of Acts in context rather than isolated verses.  You will see that the early Christians were baptised, and thereby their sins were washed away by Jesus.  God bless your studies!  :-)


keith coleman wrote at 2010-08-23 16:03:52
ok i was reading your answer Chris. and ur use of of acts 16: 30-31 is wrong because they were Baptised if u read on to 34 they were baptised.


uniquesunshine652 wrote at 2010-08-24 16:15:37


1.   The thief was saved while the Old Testament was still in effect. He is not an example of salvation under the gospel at all. The thief was saved under a different law and dispensation than we are under now. That is why it does not matter whether or not he believed what we must believe, and for the same reason it does not matter whether or not he was baptized. How he was saved is irrelevant to how we are saved.



These scriptures show that the old testament was done away with when Jesus died on the cross:

Col. 2:14 - Jesus removed the first ordinances nailing them to His cross. Until Jesus died, the Jews lived under the laws given at Mt. Sinai through Moses. When He died, those laws ceased to be in effect.



Eph. 2:13-16 - He abolished the old law through His blood shed on the cross (v13, 16).



Heb. 10:9, 10; 9:16, 17 - Jesus removed the first testament and replaced it with His new covenant the gospel. It is under this New Testament that we are saved by Jesus' death. As with any will or testament, Jesus had to die to bring His testament into force. The old law was in effect until Jesus died, then it was replaced by the New Covenant. [Gal. 3:13; Rom. 7:4]



But the thief was forgiven before Jesus died and therefore while the first covenant was in effect. The conditions he had to meet to be forgiven prove nothing about the conditions under which we are forgiven. The story of the thief on the cross proves no more about how we should be saved than does David, Moses, Noah, or Abraham. They did not have to believe what we do nor did they have to be baptized because they did not live under the same law we do.



2. Many Scriptures in the bible clearly teach that baptism is essential to receive forgiveness under the gospel.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved.

Acts 2:38 - Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16 - Be baptized and wash away your sins.

Rom. 6:3, 4; Gal. 3:26, 27 - We are baptized into Christ, into His death. We have newness of life after we have been baptized (John 3:3, 5).

I Pet. 3:21 - Baptism now saves us.

God's word does not contradict itself. We live under the new law and the thief on the cross lived under the old law. The New Testament clearly teaches baptism is essential to receive remission.



3. While Jesus was on earth, He had the power to forgive people directly as He chose. After His death, people can be saved only according to the terms of His will.

During His life, Jesus directly spoke the forgiveness of several people (Mark 2:5-12; Luke 7:48, 49; John 8:1-11). The thief is another such case. But the conditions under which He forgave people then are not the terms of the gospel since, as shown in the scriptures above.



So Jesus directly forgave people during His lifetime (one example, Mark 2:5). The gospel came into effect after He died (Eph. 2:13-16; Heb. 10:9, 10; 9:16, 17), and people today receive forgiveness only by complying with its terms. Those terms require baptism, as well as faith, as per verses already listed above.



Jesus is the Lord and Savior. Only He has the right to announce the terms under which He will forgive men. If we seek His forgiveness, it must be according to the conditions He has revealed in the Bible.



After Jesus’ death, there is no example in the bible which demonstrates one being saved by faith alone. Therefore, according to the bible, anyone living after Jesus’ death must follow the process according to the gospel to be saved and that process requires baptism.



Just in case it’s still not clear that baptism is essential to be saved:



The bible says:

-salvation is in Him 2Tim 2:10

-forgiveness of Christ is in Christ Eph 1:7

-eternal life is in Him 1John 5:11, 12

-all spiritual blessings are in Him Eph 1:3



So from these scriptures we can conclude if a person is outside Christ, he does not have forgiveness, salvation, eternal life, or spiritual blessings.



Therefore, if you want forgiveness, salvation, eternal life, or spiritual blessings you MUST be in Christ. According to the scriptures the bible says to come into Christ, one must be baptized into Christ. That is how you get in Christ. Believing is just the first step. Romans 6:3 and Gal 3:27 say that we are baptized into Jesus. It is important to be baptized into Jesus’ death because it was in His death that He shed His blood that saves us from sin!




Kathy wrote at 2010-09-28 14:32:19
With all do respect sir, I would like to comment on the response to the question. Are we to follow Jesus' example and teachings? That's the question you must ask yourself. We know that in Luke 3:21-23 we read of the baptism of Jesus and we know that the Father was pleased with Him and this action. Moving forward now, after the resurrection, Jesus came back for a period of 40 days teaching the apostles about His Church. We see in Mark 16:15-16 Christ instruction to "Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned -(the reason baptism isn't mentioned here is because if you're not going to believe your not even going to take the step of baptism). According to the book of Acts in the 1st chapter you will see that when it came to replacing Judas that the requirement for the new apostle was that he had been with Jesus all the time - from the time of the baptism of Jesus until the day He was taken into heaven. Acts 1:22. Should that be of importance to us? From the time of Jesus baptism? There is your example He demonstrated His love for the Father by submitting to His Father's Will. Just as Mr.Don has stated we (the church of Christ) look at the example and teaching from Acts 2:38. When you continue reading through the book of Acts, you will see what the believers (those who followed the command/instruction/teaching of Acts 2:38)did in the first 7 chapters. Over in chapter 8 we read of more conversions and baptism is included: Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch Acts 8:36-38, Acts 10 household of Cornelius verse 47-48, Acts 16 house hold of Lydia verses 14-15, Acts 16 the jailor-this is the one where Mr.Don stated that baptism was not mentioned but I beg to differ. If you look on down in verse 33, there you will see that that same hour the jailer washed Paul and Silas wounds, and he and everyone in his household were Immediately baptized. In chapter 18 of acts we read in verse 8- that many others in Corinth believed and were baptized. These are just a few, you can continue to read yourself. As far as the thief on the cross-he would have been under the old law which was still in effect until the resurrection of Christ- we do not know the heart of that man and Christ has the authority to make that decision.



Grace- God's divine acceptance of us-sinners. It is given to those who have been obedient and faithful and submissive to God's instruction. It is true we cannot save ourselves, only God can/has done that for us by His grace.



Read God's word for yourself. God Bless you as you seek what is right.



Just a sinner saved by the grace of God,

Kathy


Steven Hill wrote at 2010-11-12 05:39:41
Chris,



In Ephesians 1 you read that all spiritual blessings are in Christ, not only some but all are "in Christ."  Now the question is, how does one get into Christ.  Well the New Testament should be able to answer this question if it has set forth the conditions of reaching all spiritual blessings right?   Well in Rom. 6:3-4, we find out that we are baptized into Christ, in Gal. 3:26-27 we also see the same thing, we are baptized into Christ, it is where we come in contact with the blood of Christ.  You can read the New Testament from front to back, but you will never find a verse that says we must believe into Christ, repent into Christ, confess into Christ, only be baptized into Christ.  

Don't take my word for it, read Acts, it is the beginning of the church and the pattern for salvation is there through and through.  



Also check out this link, It can help you and it is very scriptural.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/audio/owd13.mp3



In His service,

Steven Hill


christian wrote at 2010-11-28 14:02:19
You are correct the thief was saved without baptism, but you also have to keep in mind that when he was saved the old testament was still in place. Jesus had not died yet for the new testament to take place. Baptism was required in the new testament. When a new testament goes into place someone has to die. So, when Jesus died on the cross after saving him is when the new testament went into place. Being a preacher you should have known what a testament is. Just some food for that on that.  


BigEarlXXX wrote at 2010-12-15 13:49:10
The answer to this question goes back to Genesis.  When the Abrahamic covenant was made (an unconditional covenant made by God alone walking between the animal parts), the sign of the covenant was the rite of circumcision.   In the New Testament, we read of Paul telling the new churches that they had it backwards.  They were putting the rite (circumcision) above the reality (a changed life and a literal putting off of the flesh).  



Likewise today, we do the same thing.  Baptism (as well as Communion with wine and bread)is essential in the life of a Christian, but it is in error that we begin to believe (as do most Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox) that baptism -- or any other rite -- should be elevated above the reality that the rite represents.  In the realm of baptism, it is a rite that demonstrates the reality that our old man has died and the new man is being resurrected in a new birth.  Communion is a representation that through the blood and flesh, (the wine and bread) we are taking the SPirit of Christ into us and incorporating Him as part of us and receiving our sustenance and nourishment from Him.



To suggest that circumcision would make a Jew more holy or would reconcile his relationship with God would be nonsense.  Likewise, baptism, while important from the point of view of obedience, cannot reconcile us to God.  Only Jesus' substitutional punishment for our sin can do that.  It seems intuitive that you would come to this conclusion.  I would ask this back to you:  Are you studying the Scriptures yourself or are you just listening to other people?


Darius wrote at 2011-01-24 01:08:15
Acts 16:30-31

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.



BAPTISM WAS NOT REQUIRED



^^^^^^^^^

Mr. Don says that baptism was not required..

But if you read verse 33, "And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes, and was baptized, he and all his, straightway." King James Version



It clearly states that they were baptized. Yes you must believe, BUT that is only ONE part.

James 2:17 says "Faith without works is dead"

James 2:18 says "Faith is shown by works"

James 2:24 says that "a man is not saved by faith only"


D wrote at 2011-03-20 23:35:43
Matthew 3:13-17 (King James Version)

13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.



14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?



15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.



16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:



17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.



So basically, God said I have to do this to fulfill all righteousness (vs.15) and when he did the spirit alighted on him and he was pleased (vs. 16-17) Not before.



Also interesting to note the different translations that have been written since the KJV and their use of the words in regards to Acts 2:38



KJV 1611 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



ASV 1901 38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



RSV 1973/77   Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



NASV 1977  38 Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



NIV 1984 38 Peter replied, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



NRSV 1989 38 Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



NASV 1995 38 Peter said to them, Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



Not one of them uses "for" or "because".



Ephesians 2:8-9 speaks of works to get into heaven, as there was a historically known problem with those selling possessions, giving great quantities, and doing things for the poor and were bosting about it,  Some were even boasting about who they were baptized by.



Galatians 2:21..Strange that should be a "proof" when it directly relates to some Christians who were Jews still thinking that the works laid out in the laws in the Pentateuch would save them from eternal damnation.  This is explained by the repeated usage of "works of the law" in previous versus.



Acts 16:30-31...you seem to forget the 2 versus following.



32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.



33And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.



Seemed it was pretty important to baptize them after he taught them the teachings of Jesus.



The thief on the cross was before Jesus said to his disciples in Matthew 28:16-20

16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.



17And when they saw him, they worshiped him: but some doubted.



18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.



19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:



20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Again, Jesus felt it was important.


COC10 wrote at 2011-05-13 21:51:22
The thief on the cross died under the Old Testament. Jesus did not command baptism until after he died and rose.(MArk16:16)Therefore the thief was not commanded to be baptized because Jesus was still alive when he saved the the thief. The NT didn't start until Jesus died.(Hebrews9:16-17)Today after the death of Christ we have been commanded to be baptized. (Mark16:16)(Acts2:38)

Baptism does SAVE(1Peter3:20-21)


searching for the highway to heaven wrote at 2011-05-19 20:32:53
acts 16.32-33

Goes on to say according to the CSB "32 Then they spoke the message of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house." "33 He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family wee baptized."  


Bert wrote at 2011-09-11 23:47:13
All,



For those who are Facebook users, I would recommend a visit to Jack Cottrell's page and read his essays on Baptism (there are several).  For those who believe in faith only, it will not offend you, but, it will challenge you.  


Bill Lee wrote at 2011-09-21 19:09:28
Baptism is absolutely essential for salvation.



Acts 2:38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.



This details what those were told to do on the Day of Pentacost. If we interpreted it wrong, why is it that every instance in ACTS and other books of the New Testament that when people were taught the gospel, they were baptized that same day?



The thief on the cross did not need to be baptized because Christ wasnt dead yet. Therefore the church as we know it today had not been established. The church was established on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2) when 3000 were baptized 'that same day.'



Using this scripture that was previous used proves my point: Acts 16:30-31

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.



Just read the following 2 verses Acts 16:32,33...

>>> Acts 16:32-33

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

32 And they spoke the word of [a]the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. 33 And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.



If he was baptized immediately after hearing and believing the gospel, why would anyone try to use this scripture to claim baptism is not necessary. Obviously stopping at verse 31 proves yr point. But if one keeps reading, its obvious that if baptism was not necessary, they would not have done it, at least 'immediately' as the Bible clearly states.



Also look at 1 Peter 3:



"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you -- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him," (1 Pet. 3:18-22, NASB)



This scripture clearly states baptism saves you. Its not the act that saves you but an 'appeal to God for a good conscious'



Baptism is obedience. There is not an instance in the New Testament where a person was saved and did not get baptized after hearing and believing the Word of God. If this is the case, why wouldnt baptism be essential for salvation. Simple. It's necessary.


Child of God wrote at 2011-09-23 19:49:17
To add to this because everything said was true,the thief on the cross dies under the old testament.Baptism was not essential then.AFTER Christ died there was a new testament.

Heb.8:16 For where there is a testament,there must also of necessity be the death of the testor.17,For a testament is in force after men are dead,since it has no power at all while the testator lives.Also he wanted to make a better covenant which is why we have a new testamnet.Heb. 8:7 For is that first covenant had been faultless,then no place would have been sought for a second. With that being said certain things in the old testament no longer applies because he sought for the new and better testament.Also his body is the church,Col.1:24,I now rejoice in my sufferings for you,and fill up in flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ,for the sake of His body,which is the church.So thats the church you need to be trying to get in.As we are all baptized into his body,1Cor.12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks,whether slaves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.Jesus also stated in Mark16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved;but he who does nor believe will be condemned.For if you do not believe why would you be baptised.And is you do why wouldn't you? FOOD FOR YOUR SOUL.


ROY GILCREASE wrote at 2011-09-25 01:14:38
hey; that the whole new testament be true. Did some say that acts 2:38 contradicts or conflicts with any other scripture? at least know there are no conflicts or lies all scripture is given by inspiration of GOD 2nd Timothy 3:16-17 and the institution of baptism was done by JESUS CHRIST himself who says it IS reguired  And he said unto them, {Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.Mark chap:16 vs 15-16 are you calling Christ a lie how foolish can't go to heaven calling JESUS a lie

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned} the commandment of God our savior acts chap 10 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? there are many scriptures that are supporting the plan of salvation {HEAR Rom 10-17 {believe Hebrews 11-6 {repent Acts 2-38 {confess JESUS as the SON OF GOD Matt:16-13-19 BE BAPTIZED Mark 16 vs 15-16 Matt:28 vs 19 AND here is a most righteous truth 1st 3 18-21 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us! (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:  


Jeremy wrote at 2011-10-23 03:58:07
Hi Chris,



Just a follow up, might want to read further in Acts16:32-34. Not only was he baptized, but also all of his household.



In Him,



Jeremy


Rejoyce wrote at 2012-01-22 23:13:46
If you continue to read in Acts 16 down to 33 '' and he tool them the same hour of the night and was baptized at once, he and all his family'' (English Standard Version) When looking at Scripture for things like this you simply must look at the whole story to understand the true meaning  


Unanimous wrote at 2012-02-09 05:08:46
The theif on the cross was saved because the new testament law depends on both Jesus death and resurrection neither of which was established at that moment, and also Jesus has the power to forgive sins, just read the gosple. Also please do not be tricked by the baptist logic, they are making the common mistake that evolutionist and scientist make, that is they are bending things to fit their view! The bible was intended to be a message that could be read by the common person, like u and I. Instead if asking people read the bible for yourself and make descisions based on that




David wrote at 2012-02-17 17:59:14
What is stated here is generaly true but I believe using the "thief on the cross," argument is a Red Hering.  The thief was in the process of being put to death on the cross, there was no possibility of him receiving Baptism here such as Christ did with John.  Plus more important, the thief had the one and only Jesus Christ interceed on his behalf in this special event and special case.


wayric wrote at 2012-07-28 00:03:40
Most Church of Christ Churchs do not believe that you must be baptized to be saved. Some may but most don't. I guess it would be like saying All Southern Baptist's believe you must wear a suit to preach, which we know is not true. CofC believe that it is an act of obedience to be Baptized apon conversion, as most examples in the Bible show people being baptized immediately after conversion. You will find hard liners in all denominations. If you look closely at the core doctrinal stances of both, you will not find that much difference.

Thanx for you time and blessings to you.

Wayne,

CofC Minister, with lots if Baptist roots.  


Keri wrote at 2012-11-29 04:33:17
If baptism isn't needed then why did all of the Christians GOD/ people writing under his supervision, had written about in the bible ( the ones doing GOD's will, including JESUS) get baptized?  Why would HE even bring up baptism if it isn't needed. It is mentioned that people did get baptized in the old testament and It is even in the new testament ( which we are now following, or else we would still be sacrificing animals) Also you need to know that "remission" in the bible will not have the same meaning today as it did then. It meant forgiving and the relinquishment of payment ( which, i looked up and it is stated the exact same definition now as it did then) also we don't use instruments in church because is never says once in the bible that we should. These verses tell us how we should go about it in the church: Heb. 2:12, Rom.15:9, 1 Corinth. 14:15, and Col. 3:16. They all say to sing hymns.  It isnt  found ANYWHERE in the entire bible to use instruments for worship! And Jesus never once used an instrument to praise God. The church of Christ ALWAYS tries to go directly by what the bible says.

Church Of Christ


Keri wrote at 2012-11-29 04:34:14
If baptism isn't needed then why did all of the Christians GOD/ people writing under his supervision, had written about in the bible ( the ones doing GOD's will, including JESUS) get baptized?  Why would HE even bring up baptism if it isn't needed. It is mentioned that people did get baptized in the old testament and It is even in the new testament ( which we are now following, or else we would still be sacrificing animals) Also you need to know that "remission" in the bible will not have the same meaning today as it did then. It meant forgiving and the relinquishment of payment ( which, i looked up and it is stated the exact same definition now as it did then) also we don't use instruments in church because is never says once in the bible that we should. These verses tell us how we should go about it in the church: Heb. 2:12, Rom.15:9, 1 Corinth. 14:15, and Col. 3:16. They all say to sing hymns.  It isnt  found ANYWHERE in the entire bible to use instruments for worship! And Jesus never once used an instrument to praise God. The church of Christ ALWAYS tries to go directly by what the bible says.

Church Of Christ


Kerry Sword wrote at 2013-02-09 15:11:31
Dear Chris,

I have just now come across your post and hope that you will be able to read this. If not, maybe it will benefit someone else. "Pastor Don" has inappropriately taught that members of the church of Christ teach that we believe that baptism "merits" our "salvation." I have been a member of the Lord's church for over 20 years and have never heard anyone ever teach this. Either "Pastor Don" doesn't understand this or he is being dishonest about it. In either case, he is mistaken. If you want to understand what a member of the church of Christ believes about any subject, it is fair and honest to ask them about it and not a Baptist "Pastor," who is obviously bias in his "opinions" and judgments.

What do I believe? I believe, as the Bible teaches, that people are saved: "by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8). However, nowhere in the Bible does the Bible teach that salvation comes by "faith only." To the opposite, the Bible teaches that it is NOT by "faith only" (James 2:24). "Works" are involved in appropriating God's grace. This is what James said here, "You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." When Paul said in Eph. 2:8 "not of works" it is not a contradiction of what James said when he said he wrote "by works." If you will read Eph. 2:10 you will see that Paul is contrasting TWO kinds of works (works of man and works of God) for he says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them." We are not saved by our own works of righteousness that we determine (cf. Romans 10:3), but the "works" that "God has before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph 2:10). God determines what works we are to do that will give us access to His "free gift of Grace." Think about it logically, Christ died for all men (John 3:16; Titus 2:11), yet not all men are saved. Why not? is there something the Bible teaches that men must do to appropriate God's "free gift of Grace"? Absolutely! One must "believe" (John 3:16; Rom. 10:11). Is "believing" in God a "work?" Read John 6:29 for the answer, "Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent." Yes, "belief" is identified as a "work." Is it a "work" of God, or a "work" of man? Obviously, it is identified as a "work of God." Does it mean that I earn or merit my salvation because I do this "work"? Absolutely not! It is a work "...which God has before ordained that we should walk in them." One MUST believe in order to appropriate God's "free gift of Grace";  which is the ONLY way that men are saved.

Question? Is believing only, or "faith only," all that is necessary to obtain God's  "free gift of Grace"? Obviously not. For the Lord has said, " I tell you, No: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3). Who will argue that "repentance is not necessary for salvation"? Who will argue that "faith is ALL that you need"? And, what of the "good confession" in Roman 10:9? "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved." Who will argue that "Confessing Christ has NOTHING to do with salvation"? Why then does anyone have a problem with what the Lord taught about baptism? "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned." Look at the coordinating conjunction "and". Coordinating conjunctions connect words, phrases, and clauses. That means that wherever " believes" goes, "baptized" goes with it. In other words, one MUST "believe" AND be "baptized" in order to be "saved." The Bible is abundant with teaching to support this (Cf. I Peter 3:20-21; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:36 Acts 22:16; Romans 6:3-5; Gal. 26-27; Matthew 28:19-20; Luke 7:29). The false position that "baptism is not necessary for salvation" has been publicly debated and defeated. A good example of such can be found on YouTube at the following link: (Billy Washington vs Bishop Johnson) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNAkXIb0Ez0

The Lord commanded baptism and if we truly "love Him" (John 14:15) we will keep His teaching on this. Why do some call Jesus, "Lord, Lord" yet do not the things that He says (Luke 6:46)? Baptism puts us "into" Christ (Gal. 3:27) and is a like figure of the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 6:3-5). Why people do not submit to the Lord's teaching on baptism has always amazed me, but they will have to give an answer to the Lord for this on the Day of Judgment (Matt. 7:21-27).

I pray that this helps those that are sincerely seeking for the truth.

Kerry Sword,

a servant of Jesus




Dillon Arriola wrote at 2013-03-07 20:30:42
Hello my name is Dillon Arriola... I want to say that Baptism is required for everlasting life.

Acts 16: 30-33 (ESV Version)

Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was BAPTIZED at once, he and all his family.

Obviously, after the jailer heard the word of God, he believed and was BAPTIZED for the remission of sins which is required for anyone who wants to enter the kingdom of Heaven.

John 3: 5-7 (ESV version)

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.



Even Jesus was Baptized......The Son of God who was innocent

Matthew 3: 13-17 (ESV version)

Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”  


Allen Whiteheart wrote at 2014-12-30 02:42:09
There are several things that come to mind when looking at your reply Pastor Don. You mentioned the thief on the cross did not have to be baptized. That is true however, the thief on the cross was under the law and the dispensation of Grace had not began because Jesus had not been glorified. You mentioned Acts chapter 2 that refers to the Jews being baptized after they proposed the question " Men and brethren what shall we do to be saved"? Peter replied: Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Bible says except we repent we shall surely likewise perish. Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3 that we must be born again of the water and the spirit. 1 Peter 3:20 & 21 speaks of how Noah and his family was saved by water and goes on to say " doth now baptism also save us. Romans: says we are buried into Christ in baptism. After the Jews received salvation in Acts 2 as you mentioned, there are continued examples where salvation was applied and Baptism was an essential part. Peter told Cornelius household aftter preaching to them in Acts Chpt 10: "Can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized that has received the Holy Ghost as well as us and he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. You can pick up reading around verse 48 of the 10 chpt. Acts chpt 8 discussed baptism with the Samaritans. Acts chpt 19 discusses baptism with John the Baptist disciples. Baptism is an essential part of salvation along with receiving the the gift of the Holy Ghost. Lord Bless!!  


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