Baptists/Free Will Baptist Doctrine

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Kevi Brown wrote at 2006-06-22 03:34:17
wow, that's really not what Free Will Baptists believe at all, I would know, being one myself. That's a biased and warped interpretation of Free Will Baptist doctrine. We do not promote salvation by works. A direct quote from the link provided: "It is a salvation by grace alone and not of works."

We are called Free Will Baptists because we believe in "free will, free grace, and free salvation." Because man has the free will to choose to respond to God's call and repent and be saved, we also believe man can choose to turn away from God. Was not Judas one of Christ's followers, who chose to turn away? and for a post-resurrection example, try I Timothy 1:19-20, where Paul mentions those that made "ship-wreck" of their faith. Free Will Baptists separated from Baptists because we would not subscribe to the doctrine of "eternal security" that salvation, once received, could never be forfeited, no matter what the person did. While we do not believe that committing a sin forfeits your salvation, we believe it is possible for a person to turn their back on their faith, by returning to a sinful lifestyle. It is a choice they make, not God "withdrawing their salvation." And I don't think that (or hope that it's not) this is often the case. We believe it is an important point however, because believers should not think their actions are irrelevant to their faith. As James wrote "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

I hope that helps to explain Free Will Baptist beliefs, or at least one of our distinctive beliefs. I do not write this in anger or in arrogance, but I hate to see my beliefs skewed. I am sorry that the author of the previous post has encountered Free Will Baptists that do not appear to be genuine in their faith. But I assure you there are those that are.

In Christ,

Kevi Brown  


Ed May wrote at 2006-09-12 15:36:44
The answer you were given Linda is a complete fabrication. The Free Will Baptist would never believe that God would ever withdraw his salvation. You have been given an answer from someone without knowledge. The answer of Salvation is that the Free Will Baptist have read in the scriptures that a person has at any time the Free Will to  walk away from God and make a decision to not  follow his direction or his will. If you accept Jesus into your heart then he will be there as long as you will allow him to be. There are hundreds of scriptures to back this up but to think that there is no commitment long term is the same thought as Israel when they claimed the once in Abraham Doctrin always in Abraham Doctrine. Jesus said this was untrue and I tend to believe what he says.

rf


krich wrote at 2006-09-18 03:08:29
as a free will baptist i was shocked to read such a confounding explanation of our particular viewpoint.  we in no way believe that "works" or continuing to "work" will grant us salvation.   we believe that salvation comes through the saving grace of Jesus Christ, as demonstrated by His death, burial, and resurrection.  because we are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus and His redemptive work on the cross...we strive to follow Christ's example of holiness.  we strive to obey His commands not because we want to be saved...rather, we follow His commands out of a renewed heart that loves God and others.  also, as a free will baptist i find the idea of limited salvation or predestination to be repugnant(that is a doctrine that we do not teach)!! so, Linda, please read the church doctine itself and don't listen to this tragic, misguided understanding of what we really believe.  the question must come to mind...why would anyone want to serve a god that would withdraw salvation from them? i know i wouldn't!  that is not even close to what we believe!!!!  


Chad wrote at 2007-05-22 02:21:44
Salvation--Man receives pardon and forgiveness for his sins when he admits to God that he is a sinner, when in godly sorrow he turns from them and trusts in the work of Christ as redemption for his sin. This acceptance of God's great salvation involves belief in Christ's death on the cross as man's substitute and the fact of God's raising Him from the dead as predicted. It is a salvation by grace alone and not of works.



This was copied and pasted from



http://nafwb.net/tp42/page.asp?ID=766



This is the official website of the National Association of Free Will Baptists.



It has nothing to do with works, but everything to do with the possibility of apostasy. If apostasy wasn't possible, Paul wouldn't have warned against it so much. There are also many references in the Old Testament, although I know many Independant Baptists don't believe that the "Old Book" is relevant to today's Christian.



One such example is found in Numbers 15:30-31


Bishop James Springfield, Jr. wrote at 2007-05-26 15:37:57
Mr. expert, and I call you that with reservation after noticing your many typographcal errors, but sir I felt it neccessary to correct your gross error in defining the doctrine of Free will Baptist. Our Doctrine Of Free Grace, Free Salvation, Free Will, does not imply salvation by works. Yes we do teach Salvation is free and eternal. Please forward this to Linda.


freewiller wrote at 2007-06-19 16:23:21
The Free Will Baptists believe that a person can willingly (free will) accept salvation through Jesus Christ and therefore, can also willingly reject their salvation at anytime.  Works to keep your salvation is not taught and is often misunderstood.


Jubal Harshaw wrote at 2007-07-09 20:40:08
OK, if I understand you correctly, Mahatma Gandhi is now burning in the fires of hell, even though his life was a living example of the lessons of the Sermon on the Mount.  Also, the Dalhi Lama, who has been a non-violent edifice against the worst of godless human nature, is damned to hell for eternity.



When I read your post, I am reminded of a painting contractor who bilked my mother in law of a few thousand dollars.  I talked to the guy in Ma's stead and he said:

"I don't know why you're concerned.  I'm Saved and the End of Times is here anyway."

Well, that was 30 years ago and the paint on my mother in law's house has peeled long ago.

Jubal Harshaw


Laura Grapes wrote at 2007-07-25 04:26:17
To anyone wondering about what Free Will Baptist believe,

    First one should start by asking a Free Will Baptist.  I am one.  An Independent Fundamental Baptist, such as Cooper P. Abrams III, can only hope to be an expert on what Independent Fundamentals believe.  This is made obvious by his erroneous answer to Linda's question.

    Free Wills do not believe in salvation by works.  In some "Baptist" circles in order to avoid preaching a salvation by "works" message they have turned to preaching salvation without obedience message.  When studying the Bible from Genesis to Revelation we can see a pattern with God and the way He deals with His people.  This is in perfect order since God cannot change or lie and all scripture whether New Testament or Old is profitable for doctrine.  One thing the Bible says is He would not do was acquit the wicked. Nahum 1:3 Also read Ezekial the 18th chaper and the 33rd chapter to see an example of God's equal ways in dealing with man. Verse 24 of chapter 18 says  "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die."  Free will Baptist separate from "Once Saved Always Saved" because they will argue that the devilish and wicked can enter into heaven. They will say in so many word that Revelation 21:8 doesn't really mean all of these people will go to hell(because they may have had a previous profession of faith)   Paul the great grace teacher never once promised this liberty instead he said and I want you to notice his beginning statement Be Not Deceived! ICorinthians 6:9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"  James teaches us that faith without works is dead.  Free Will Baptist believe that even if you accepted the grace of Jesus Christ and repented and were "saved" at one time it is possible through the temptation of the flesh to turn away from God's enabling power to live Godly and deny the flesh and to fall away from our previous loyalty to Christ and thus apostise and in the end be lost if not restored to  Jesus Christ through repentance (turning from our sinful deeds) See the Prodigal Son story a man who died to the father while away from his house and became lost. Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And again in Luke 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.  

See Romans 11 where Paul teaches on the branches which were taken out because of unbelief which were those who were Jews standing by works and lineage by birth who had failed to believe in Jesus Christ and then he teaches on the branches grafted in which are the Gentiles coming to the vine through Jesus Christ. The Jews were cast off because of unbelief and the Gentile stands by faith.  Then Paul warns us not to be high minded but to fear lest we the Gentile (who come by Jesus  Christ) should be cut off.  In conclusion a true Free Will Baptist believes salvation is through Jesus Christ and His atoning Blood.  We are saved through Grace and not by works and God's Grace through Jesus Christ enables us to walk by faith and not to fulfill the lust of the flesh.  Jesus saves us from sin and ourselves praise God. And when we do sin we are to have an advocate with Jesus Christ i.e. repent. He keeps that which we commit to Him.

We all have souls that will live eternally whether in Heaven or Hell.  In hell a sinner will "live" in eternal death and tormenting flames. The Christian has eternal life because of Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life who we are told to follow however if we cease from following after Christ we cannot claim this promise. I John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. And then in IJohn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.  The argument that eternal life isn't eternal if I can lose it is pitiful...the life we receive is Jesus Christ and He was eternal before the christian believed in Him and He will remain faithful and eternal even if that christian turns away from Him and chooses to live a life apart from His teachings and becomes entangled in the world again living wickedly and thereby excluding himself from the Promise in Christ Jesus.  God will not have failed this poor soul but his sin will be on his own head. "Once Saved Always Saved will tell you that David while in the act of adultry and murder if he would have died would have went to heaven without repenting of these wicked and sinful deeds. Free Will Baptist believe true repentance would be required by God as David later did in order to make heaven his home. Free will Baptist actively encourage the wicked to turn from their wicked ways for their souls sake...Once Saved always saved do not...though they claim to.  Ezekial 13:22  Because you disheartened the righteous with your lies, when I had brought them no grief, and because you encouraged the wicked not to turn from their evil ways and so save their lives."

Love in Christ,

Laura Grapes


James Morris wrote at 2007-10-04 05:09:12
Linda,



I was definately troubled at heart when I read the "expert" answer to your question. The best answer for you would be to go to a Free Will baptist Church and get a copy of the doctrine.



I was raised Free Will Baptist and have never heard even the suggestion of salvation by works. In fact, we have always taught that we are saved through faith that not of yourselves, lest any man should boast. Jesus Christ is the Way the Truth and the Light. No man can come unto the Father except by and through Christ's blood.



We fo believe that once are saved, that you need to strive for perfection in all things, most importantly you walk with Christ. And yes we do believe that you can fall from grace, or turn from God. This doesn't mean that God takes away your salvation, it simply means that you have the Free will to continue serving God and living a Holy life or you can turn again to a life of sin. If you choose the latter and do not come back in repentance of heart, asking God's forgiveness, you will end up in Hell.



I know my explination is not complete, but I hope it will help you out. Just remember these things about the Free WIll Baptist doxtrine:

-Free Will means that man has the choice to either accept Salvation or to reject it.

- God will NOT take your salvation away, but if you choose to, you can turn it away and live sinfully

-Any Free Will Baptist minister, church member or lay person would be happy to share with you their beliefs and doctrine.

-Religion is man-made, Salvation is God-sent. As long as we do as the Bible tells us, Heaven will be our eternal home!



God Bless you, I hope this shed a little light on the true beliefs of the Free Will Baptist


Chris wrote at 2007-11-20 20:19:18
Perhaps, one should ask a Free Will Baptist what he/she believes and not take an opinion given from someone that has had neg. experiences in a Free Will Baptist Church. No where in our doctrine does it say that we believe that works gets you into heaven but of course faithfulness helps. Faith is the key! You need to have faith in any religion! A personal relationship with Christ is what saves you. Not religion! If you search for the "perfect" religion you will not find it. Thats because this world has been corrupted by sin, and there is fault in every scenario even outside of religion. If you would really like info on what a true Free Will Baptist knows and teaches, ask a Free Will Baptist that has been Free Will for nearly 20 years, not someone that has been around a couple of churchs.


Sherri wrote at 2008-06-02 03:59:37
   * II Peter 2:20-21 ”For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not have known the way of righteousness, than after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.”



   * Hebrews 3:12 “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.”



   * Hebrews 6:4-6 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”



   * Hebrews 10:26-27 “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.”


Cooper The Blindman wrote at 2008-08-31 04:14:36
My Blind Friend,



If you believe in Election then why did Jesus waste his time telling his parables.



Praying for you to see the light...


Cliff wrote at 2008-11-13 20:54:14
It seems to me that nearly everyone, especially Laura Grapes has confirmed the original answer. Free Will Baptist do believe in salvation by grace and not by works. Then they add to this simple plan by saying in order to keep this salvation or "of a free will not give back your salvation" you have to be good and not sin. They then go on to say that if you do sin, you can then get saved again because it is "salvation by grace not works". It is very contradicting to say it is "salvation by grace and not works", and then to say in order to keep it or "not give it back", you have to be good and not sin or do good works and not bad. This is not a salvation by grace and not works. This is salvation with the attachment of never sinning again or your going to lose it, or "give it back of your own free will". How ever you want to word it.


Joshuaman wrote at 2009-01-09 00:29:34
First of all, the doctrine of once saved always saved is  a complete crock.  Backsliding is in fact possible.  Here's a good scenario for you...  Let's say that a person grows up in the church and is saved in their teen years.  in their twenties, that person turns their back on God and dabbles in witchcraft, choosing that lifestyle instead of a Christian lifestyle.  Is that person still entitled to the rewards of salvation?  Are they in fact entitled to the same rewards as a person who has lived a Christian life?  Or perhaps a person who got saved as a young adult, then went on to become a ruthless, cold-hearted serial killer after turning away from Christ.  Should this person too be able to reap the same rewards as one who has lived according to God's word?  Living a faithful life is not "buying your salvation through works."  However, turning from God is a choice that we as humans can make, and we can in fact lose our salvation.  Your thoughts on this subject are absolute rubbish.  It is not your "works" that save you.  It is the grace of God.  Grace is in fact universal, but Salvation is not.  Salvation is conditional.  Throughout the gospel, and in fact throughout the entire bible, God lays out certain rules, laws, and conditions for his people.  If you are going to teach the "once saved, always saved" doctrine, you may as well teach predestination, and you might as well teach it that all humans are predestined to go to heaven and that there is in fact no hell.  I know that your rebuttal to that would be that you couldn't teach that because the bible says that there is a hell, but if you are going to choose to not teach the entire bible, then you might as well not teach any of it.  It does not matter to me what you personally believe, but please do not spread your horribly misguided beliefs to those who are seeking the truth.  I would advise you to go back to the book and do a little more studying.  If there is no such thing as backsliding, then explain Hosea 14:4.  Also, backsliding is addressed in I Kings 11:9, Revelations 2:4, Galations chapters 1 and 3 (or the entire book of galations for that matter), Psalm 125, I Timothy 5:15, Luke 9:62, Matthew 5:13, Proverbs 26:11, and various other places throughout the bible.  Please do some looking into this before you spread this false message to others.



"As for me and my house, we WILL serve the Lord."


Swh wrote at 2009-02-01 14:24:51
Sir,



While I'm no Free Will Baptist, (though I was reared in a FWB home), you make several large errors.  Never heard of Jospeh Armius.  Perhaps you mean Jacobus Arminius?  He believed, as do FWB's, not that if you sin God withdraws salvation, but salvation is through faith, and is conditioned on continued faith.



That is, for Arminius, as opposed to an Independent Baptist, there can be no such thing as a Christian with no faith!



To further your expertise, try reading Arminius.  Good Stuff!


CHRISTIAN wrote at 2009-06-04 01:34:33
I would like to know what you mean by read a copy of the FWB doctrine. DO the FWB have other docteines they follow other than the Bible.There is only one Church,Christ Church.


DShortt wrote at 2009-06-07 21:20:14
I was raised Free Will Baptist.  I am now Southern Baptist thanks to the Holy Spirit showing me the error of FWB doctrines.  I know that FWB believe in salvation by grace.  However, poster Sherri quoted Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-27.  According to them, if you are saved, turn away, and "lose" your salvation; then you can NEVER regain it.  Christ died once for you, either take it or leave it.


Dave wrote at 2009-06-09 23:31:12
(They believe that a person can be saved, become a child of God and then if they fail and get into sin....God will withdraw their salvation and they can go to hell.   Basically that means they are working to keep themselves saved by their good works and faithfulness.)



This is a misrepresentation of what Arminians believe. We do not believe that if we fail or get into sin God will withdraw his salvation. We believe that as 1 Peter 1:5 teaches that we are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation. Simply put the Bible clearly teaches that you are save by grace through faith. Faith is an ever present attitude tword God where we continually trust Him and He continually keeps us. With out faith God cannot not keep you, because it is through faith (in Christ) that God has chosen to save us.



Arminians teach that as a person places faith in Christ and is thereby saved, they can also through the decietfulness of sin turn from thier faith and make shipwreck thier faith as Hebrews 3:18 (i think) puts it.



So for those out there that want to continue to speak on our behalf and claim that we have a works salvation, I say, Please stop, we do not.



We have a Faith in Christ salvation, nothing more and nothing less.


Free Will Baptist wrote at 2009-06-16 07:54:17
I happen to be a Free Will Baptist & I do not appreciate your comments! What you and believe are obviously totally different, but that doesn't mean that you have the right to add your Un-Christian like comments. Sure, we believe that you can lose your salvation, and that's the way it should be. If you get saved & forget about God than you should lose your salvation. A true Christian would not have stated the things you did. If you don't like it than that's fine, but I'll tell you one thing-  you need to keep some things to yourself!! Christians don't down or critisize other denominations! Looks to me that you need to check up on your salvation!


FWB Preacher wrote at 2009-08-08 09:04:01
Guys, I hate to tell you, but that is exactly what it says in the FWB handbook. You can google if you'd like. It does state that we believe you can make ship-wreck of your salvation.


kata wrote at 2009-12-27 07:24:45
read Hebrews 6:4-8 KJV

I'm Free Will Baptist we do not believe you can loose your salvation but you can forfeit it. Very careful how you use context.


I choose Christ. wrote at 2010-01-22 04:39:41
I was raised Southern Baptist and never heard of being able to loose your salvation. I am now grown, and have been to different churches in my lifetime.

I now belong to a Free Will Baptist Church and agree, we are saved by Grace not works.  Backsliding is a completely different thing from apostacy.  You can sin, we all do, every day and ask for forgiveness and receive it.  We do try to live the life Christ taught us to.    But if you, for some reason begin to believe there is no God or Christ, that is to turn your back on him. You have shipwrecked your salvation.  It is simple...God gave us free will.


DB wrote at 2010-01-27 18:22:09
Shipwreck?

The Apostle Paul wrote: Thrice I was beaten,once I was stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep. 2Cr 11:25

At question? 1Ti 1:19

Holding faith and a good conscience, which some have put away concerning faith have made shipwreck.

The first shipwrecks were literal ones. The second reference a metaphorical shipwreck.

Let's put each in thier proper context.

2Cr11:35 Read

Paul is descibing his different sufferings as an Apostle which included three shipwrecks. Literaly.



1Ti 1:18-20 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;  

1Ti 1:19   Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:  

1Ti 1:20   Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.  



Here Paul is instructing Timothy on how to conduct himself in his ministry. He goes on to say that Hymenaeus and Alexander he delivered unto Satan,(for a stated purpose) so that they would learn not to blaspheme.

There is only one other reference to one being delivered to Satan.

1Cr 5:5

To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.



This man was one who had committed an unspeakable sin. Yet was not condemned to hell. So in the proper context you cannot conclude that one whose faith has been made "shipwreck" had lost his salvation.  


Kris S. wrote at 2010-03-03 03:40:35
Linda,



Clearly there is a lack of love in Bro. Abrams' answer saying that FWBs "do not really know or follow God's word...".  I would state that FWBs believe that a person is saved by grace through faith, but if that person removes their faith in God, they fall from grace.  To argue that a person living in sin still has their faith in God for salvation is to spit in God's face, a disdain for humanity's free-will to serve or leave God, and shows an utter poor exegesis of the scriptures.  God bless.


Christian in Arkansas wrote at 2010-05-15 22:14:31
The Bible does not teach what she  just said.

It plainly states that it is he who endures to hte end shall be saved. Also at the judgement, people will be saying that they did all kinds of great deeds in Jesus's name and he will say Depart grom me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you. just like He remembers our sin no more after he forgives us, he doesn't remember our good deeds we have done in the past if we sin against him and do not ask forgivness. We have to be washed in his blood,  and be clean, if we do sin after that, we have an avicate with the Father thru Jeasus Christ, He will  forgive us if we truly are sorry and will also mhelp us to grow spiritually so we fall. I will be happy to send scripture to verify this. If what she was saying is true, then everyone just get saved and don't worry about living right or following the Bibles instructions. I am not Freewill Bptist but agree with the Bible and their doctrine on this issue. We cannot afford to take a chance on missing out at the judgement, there will be no second chance.  


Jeff wrote at 2010-07-22 23:15:08
I am not a Freewill Baptist, and I believe in eternal security. I do not, however, believe "once saved, always saved." When I was six months old, I would have gone to heaven had I died, but not when I was twenty-one years old and a Christ-rejecting heathen. I believe our security lies in the promises and keeping power of God, and not in ourselves. We must continue believing if we are to stay saved. God never has and never will take anyone's salvation away from them, or allow Satan or anything else to do so either. No fault, failure, sin or backsliding will ever disqualify a child of God from Heaven. What disqualifies us is rejecting Christ as our Savior. The freedom to believe or not to continues throughout our lives, and is never revoked once we choose Him. The problem with backsliding is not that God decides to send some wayward children to Hell and allow others into Heaven, but sin separates us from fellowship with the Lord. Once our fellowship is either broken or at least diminished, we open ourselves up to our faith being challenged and attacked by Satan. Satan cannot "steal" our salvation from us, but he can entice us to believe a lie. The "lie" I believe Satan entices the backslider with is simply that the Christian life he once knew was never real, and that Christianity is false and therefore should be rejected. In a backslidden condition, a wayward soul might entertain such ideas to the extent he or she decides that Jesus isn't worth believing in or serving. Yes, there WILL be vile backslidden sinning Christians in Heaven, but it will be because somehow some way, they managed to continue believing in Jesus, in spite of their failed lives here on earth. In all probability, God had to destroy their flesh that their Spirits might be saved. Some might ask, "Why then does God punish and kill some backsliders that they might be saved, while allowing others to continue their course of apostasy and final damnation?" I believe once again it is because the person who chooses to continue with God either reaps the rewards of his service, or the punishment of his misdeeds. The person who decides to quit altogether may cease to then be punished, but he also ceases to be rewarded as well. Eternal life is IN CHRIST, and outside Christ it does not exist. If a Christian continues to believe in Christ, God will do whatever it takes to keep that person saved.


sunshine wrote at 2010-07-31 08:19:35
Freewill baptist go right by the bible.If everyone would,we would have a better world like God wanted for us.We need to go back to prayers in the schools and In God We Trust.We men & women wouldn't have all te problems we have ,if we would follow the bible in our everyday like.


In God You Should Trust wrote at 2010-09-20 04:27:20
Freewill Baptist believe if you except Jesus into your heart,you should live as Jesus did.Spreading the gospel & teaching Gods word..We don't believe you can just go around acting however you want and asking Jesus to forgive you when you know it is not right,and them expecting to go to heaven.


Mycupoverflows wrote at 2010-11-09 18:56:08
Are you really an "expert"? I am a Free Will Baptist and this "expert answer" does not in any way reflect my understanding of the Bible neither what my pastor teaches nor what my church believes. We do not teach that “doing good works” will save anyone. The Word of God says that we are "saved by grace (which you emphasized) through faith (which you ignored)." Faith is the key to receiving that grace. “We have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace by which we stand.” We “receive the promise of the Spirit by faith.” We “are protected by the power of God through faith.” "Without faith it is impossible to please (God).” “This is the victory that has overcome the world- our faith.” The Gospel did not profit some “because it was not united by faith in those who heard.” We are told to “have faith to the preserving of the soul.” "God chose us from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith". Righteousness is “based on faith.” Our hearts are “cleansed by faith.” Sanctification is “by faith in (Jesus).” ”We have been “justified by faith.” “A man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.” Those listed in the Hall of Faith in Hebrews “gained approval through their faith.” Peter wrote, "Obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls." Paul wrote about, "...the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith..." He also sent Timothy to the Thessalonians to find out about their "faith", "that the tempter might have tempted (them) and (their) labor should be in vain", and he desired to see them and "complete what is lacking in (their) faith".  He wrote to Titus, “Reprove them severely so that they may be sound in their faith.” In Romans we are told that we "stand by (our) faith". There it is called "obedience of the faith". We are told to "fight the good fight, keeping faith and a good conscience". James showed a direct relationship between faith and works. Some teach that faith is a “work’. James makes it clear that it is not. “Faith without works is dead.” If we have "faith" we will have "works". We are told to "persevere in these things, for as you do this you will insure salvation for yourself and (others)." We then, “entrust our souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.” It's not the works that save us. It's our faith. At the end of his life, Paul said, "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith." Jesus said to the Church, “You hold fast My name and did not deny My faith.” We must resist the devil, “firm in our faith” and test ourselves “to see if we are in the faith”. Faith is the door that gives access to God and His grace. The Bible says we can "deny the faith", "shipwreck our faith", "wander away from the faith", go "astray from the faith", faith can be “made void” and can be “worthless”. We can "upset the faith of (others)", "believe in vain", “forget the purification from our former sins”, "be subject again to a yoke of slavery",  "fall from grace", "soil our garments", have our name "blotted out" of the Book of Life, "be cut off", "shrink back to destruction", "shrink away from Him at His coming", be "severed from Christ", "turn aside to follow Satan", be "move(d) away from the hope of the Gospel", “deny the Master who bought them”, be "led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ". Through our liberties a brother who is weak “for whom Christ died” can be “ruined”. We can “destroy with our (liberties) him for whom Christ died”. We must “contend earnestly for the faith”. “Fleshly lusts wage war against the soul”. We are instructed to “encourage them to continue in the faith” (as if it was possible they might not). I could go on and on. The weight of Scripture is against “eternal security” as it is commonly known.



I realize that this question by Linda was written several years ago, but I hope that if anyone else (like me) who stumbles upon this answer will read my response and hopefully want to do their own research for the truth about the Free Will Baptist’s doctrine. I do want to encourage you, Mr. Abrams, that if you are setting yourself up as an “expert’ on anything you must be sure that you have the facts straight. By misrepresenting your opponent’s position (whether intentionally or not) you undermine your own credibility. If it was intentional on your part to lead Linda astray on the doctrinal position of Free Will Baptists, it is a very serious offense according to Jesus. If your position as a Calvinist is strong and you have every confidence in its truth, there is no need to tear down or misstate the Free Will Baptists. Just state clearly that they believe that a Christian can lose their salvation or apostasize from the faith and then simply give any clear and pertinent Scriptures that you can that supports your view against this. Truth will prevail and God doesn’t need anyone’s help. I suggest also that you get a good unbiased book on Arminianism to help you out. There are stark differences between Arminianism and Calvinism, but it is in your interest to understand them both clearly so that you can be fair when responding to anyone else in the future.  


p2 wrote at 2012-02-28 17:13:54
Dear Mr. Abrams,



 As a Free-Will Baptist I can say that you are wrong in your response.  We teach that salvation is by faith and faith alone (Epehsians 2:8-9) clearly teaches this.  We believe that after you are saved you can by choice walk away from Christ and salvation. (Hebres 6 : 4-6, II Peter 2 : 18-22)  What Jesus did on the cross was perfect and HE will NEVER leave us but because he loves us so much he gives us free will meaning we have the choice ot accept or reject him befor and after salvation. It is about him not our works only our faith in HIM.


poppy wrote at 2012-06-11 23:16:18
Faith never saved anyone.Salvation is by GRACE through faith.A sinner on the road to hell has on chance of having faith in God.A sinner by defination does not believe in God or that God gave his sons life for our salvation.Jesus is the only way to salvation.The grace he gave us by dying for us is the only way to salvation.After you are saved you can begin to have faith.Not before.If you had faith the size of a mustard seed you could move a mountain.I have yet to see any man command a mountain to move and it happend.So how much faith for eternal life?


Tisha wrote at 2012-07-03 21:44:01
If you fully believe the Bible, you will see that 'we are sealed' through grace as eternal security.  What good is a seal if it can be broken? PER THE BIBLE...if you are saved, and you somehow end up on the wrong side of the tracks again, even for years at a time, you are STILL saved!!  You will be confused,frustrated, unhappy, many others, but are forgiven and still entering the gates of Heaven.  Christ died once.  You are saved once.  You go to Heaven once.  Other than totally rejecting God's heart call, nothing you do on this earth will send you to hell. Remember 'no man shall pluck him from my father's hand'.


William Brown wrote at 2012-07-22 01:00:13
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  John says all we have to do is believe in Jesus.  One of the thieves on the cross along with Jesus believed that Jesus was the Christ and said to Jesus, Luke 23:42 Then he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your Kingdom."  Luke 23:24 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."  The thief did not ask for forgiveness, had done no works worthy of God and made no promises and didn't even ask Jesus to save him, but only to remember him.  He merely BELIEVED that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.  Jesus knew He was dying that day and He would go directly to Heaven and also that the thief would die that day and he, too, would be there in Heaven, that day, with Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Ghost. Is this too simple to believe?


brenda wrote at 2013-04-21 21:19:31
i would hate to think that my parents would disown me and no longer be my parents if i went out in sin. the same is for my heavenly father i will always be his child and if i die in a backslidden state i will lose my rewards in heaven and he will make my days short on this earth.


R.W. wrote at 2014-10-11 12:07:03
Linda,

I was saved in a Free Will Baptist church about 10 years ago.  I had no idea what they taught, just that they were baptists.  I had a couple of years experience w/ the baptists when I was younger.



The Free Will Baptists DO believe salvation depends on them.  I started questioning their "lose your salvation" doctrines, and confronted the preacher on this.  His answer???--"God is faithful to those who keep the faith."  That is a man-centered gospel, which is false.  Salvation is not for US to lose, but for CHRIST to keep.



That's my take.

R.W.


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Independent Fundamental Baptist missionary and pastor, ThB, MBS, and PhD as of May 28, 2013. I began pastoring in 1981, and have taught in churches, a Bible college, and a Bible Institute. I have written numerous articles on various subjects from a biblical perspective and many are posted on my web site Bible Truth ( http://www.bible-truth.org ). Bible Truth receives over one hundred and forty thousand visiters per month. Since 1998 I have answered Bible related questions via e-mail. My answers are straight forward and biblical. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE -----DO NOT ASK A QUESTION AND THEN NOT READ THE ANSWER! ABOUT FOUR IN TEN QUESTIONS ASKED ARE NEVER READ. I FREELY GIVE MY TIME TO GIVE HELPFUL ANSWERS. OFTEN THE ANSWER WILL REQUIRE AS MUCH AS A HOUR OR MORE TO RESEARCH AND THEN TO FORMULATE THE REPLY. IF YOU SEND A QUESTION PLEASE BE THOUGHTFUL ENOUGH TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT. MOST PEOPLE DO...BUT ALL SHOULD. THANKS

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I have been a pastor since 1981 and a Independent Baptist missionary church planter since 1986. I have seen the Lord establish four Bible believing churches in Utah. My web site Bible Truth ( http:\\bible-truth.org ) continues to grow presently over 7,000 visiters per day. The materials on the web site are mostly written by myself and contain sermons, Bible commentaries, articles on various biblical subjects.

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I am pastor of Calvary Baptist Church, Tremonoton, Utah (http://calvarybaptchurch.org)

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- Appeared on Grizzly Adams DVD documentary "End Times: How Close Are We?" (http://www.grizzlyadams.com/Public/ChristianDVDs/index.cfm?productID=49). - Article "Are Mormons Christians" "O Timothy Magazine" Way of Life Literature (http://www.wayoflife.org/files/9959c77e05b303248173195e72476459-60.html)

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ThB (Bachelor Degree in Theology) Piedmont Bible College, Winston-Salem, NC. MBS (Mastor of Biblical Studies) Piedmont Baptist College, Winston-Salem, NC. PhD (Bible) Bethany Divinity College and Seminary, Dothan, AL

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Graduated Suma Com Laude with PhD Religion - Bible Major, Bethany Divinity College and Seminary - 2013

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