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Hi,
As a home brewer I've been experimenting with bread making and have been using the "spent" yeast from the bottom of my first fermentation. (I mix about 1/2 cup of yeast with 1 cup of unbleached flour, 1 TBLS. or more, of sugar and 3/4 cup water. Let this set at room temp for a few hours or overnight, covered then when good and bubbly I add it to 3 cups of flour, pinch of salt and 1 Tbls. oil and another cup of warm water).  
The first time, I used a Porter style ale and the bread came out smelling great, but very bitter.
Made another loaf but added 2 TBLS. sugar to the dough, a little bitter but better.
On a 3rd attempt I used the yeast from a golden ale that had a little Crystal 90. And then sweetened the dough with a couple TBLS. of honey.  Bingo!
Just wondering if you or any readers had tried to make bread using the left over yeast?


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Actually, you have rediscovered something.

I just read a book by Peter Rhienhart called The Baker's Apprentice.  He recommends the same thing.  I use my beer yeast for both bread a pizza.  

What we call bread in the US is universally bland.  What Peter does and most artisan bakers do is let the bread yeast mature for up to three days, first making a poolish or starter, much like sour dough starter but using beer yeast (saccharomyces cervisiae) which is probably what the first sour dough in California was made with anyway.

What you should do to prevent the bitterness is culture a cleaner strain. If you used the sediment you had a lot of dead yeast, trub and hops in with the viable yeast.  Poor your sediment into a jar and add some distilled water or a light beer.  Shake and let the heavy stuff settle then poor off the liquid.  This you save.  Toss the heavy fraction.  Now let the liquid settle and poor off a little fo the clear liquid.  Add some high protein flour and some water, it should be a little dryer than pancake batter.  Let it ferment and you have your starter.  When you make bread use about 1/2 cup of your starter to 3/4 cup and adjust your bread dough recipe accordingly since you are adding flour and water in the form of your starter.
Mix and let sit for a day to let the glutten form.  You will have a more flavorful bread and it will have more substance, chewier, firmer.
You might have to add a 1/4 ounce of regular fast acting bakers yeast to the bread in addition to your starter, just to make sure you get enough rise.

Keith

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Keith Patton

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I have been home brewing 21 years. I followed the traditional path from kit to extract to all grain and undoubtably experience all the typical problems. I can answer questions on home Brewing Techniques, all grain, partial mash and extract brews, formulating recipes, cloning commercial beers, kegging, bottling, home brew equipment, clarifying, trouble shooting beer and conducting tastings. I have brewed just about every style imaginable.

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I have home brewed for 21 years. I owned my own beer pub for 5 years. I lived in Munich, Germany for 3 years. I host a brew club at work with 10 member brewers as well a participate in another club with over 50 members. I have a all stainless steel single tier 15 gallon RIMS system.

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American Home Brewer's Association Cane Island Alers home brew club Seismic Micro Brewers home brew club

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MS in geology with experience in water chemistry. I have lived abroad and have been exposed to a number of beer drinking cultures.

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