Expert: Jim Miller - 9/19/2009

Question
why was this trinity only clear after the death of Jesus.since he only spake of the father and himself as gods.and his doctrine stated in 2john vs 9 that if u have god u have both father and son.

Answer
   Your question is a bit unclear.  I assume you want to know what evidence the four Gospels give of the Trinity.  The Gospel of John is the one usually read for Trinitarian language, but there are clues in the first three Gospels as well.  For instance, Jesus is treated as divine in Matthew 9:1-9; Mark 2:1-12: Luke 5:17-26.  Mark 2:7 and Luke 5:21 are explicit that only God can forgive sins.  After his resurrection Jesus is openly worshipped (Matt 28:9,17).  In the great baptism formula of Matthew 28:19 baptism is in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  Likewise in the  baptism of Jesus the Father and Spirit were manifested separately.
   It is in John that the Spirit is treated as a person separate from the Father and Son.  In Matthew, Mark and Luke Jesus and the Father speak of each other in the third person and to each other in the second person, indicating a distinction of persons (see Matthew 3:16-17; Mark 1:10-11; Luke 3:22).  This is clearest for the Spirit in John 16:7-14, where the "Counselor" is identified as the Spirit, and is treated as distinct from the Father and Jesus himself.  Here and John 3:5-8 are core texts in understanding the Spirit as a divine person person -- a separate person within God
 So, in short, in the Gospels the Father, Son (Jesus) and Spirit speak of each other in the third person, to each other in the second person, and are treated as divine.  They were manifested separately in the baptism of Jesus, and are listed separately in the baptism formula of Matthew 28.  Hence the doctrine of the Trinity is common throughout most forms of Christianity.
Jim Miller