Expert: Rev Philip Dacre - 3/22/2011

Question
QUESTION: Nearly all  of the 12 tribes were released   from the captivity, and
would have in the area around the promised land, at the time of Christ.

It would explain the disciples starting the early church with God’s chosen people ,
and the explanation based on the old testament that would explain the message of the promised messiah,
and the shedding of his blood for their sins , a requirement to cover the law of God

If that time was used by God to start the early church as we know it,

Question

Where the members of the early church   Israelites or Gentiles

David

ANSWER: Dear David,

I presume you mean "Were the early church members Israelites or Gentiles.

Until Acts 10 they were officially Israelis, but after this time they expanded to the gentiles. This took about 10 years for it to happen, officially. First Samaritans then further afield. Samaritans were half castes.

But concerning the first century Christians the overwhelming amount of believers in terms of numbers were gentiles.

God bless

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QUESTION: Ok so the following happen

1.   the 12 tribes were released from captivity
2.   they went back towards  the promise land
3.   they were in the surrounding area at the time of Christ
4.   they received the message of the promised Messiah
5.   the NT is a message cannot be understood without an in depth knowledge of  the OT
6.   The disciples went out to minister to them, and explain that message
7.   there are no reports on a total rejection of the Messiah, other than the Jews of the temple
8.   they are advised to go to spread the good news throughout the world

But instead they chose not to and left their heritage as the apple of God’s eye

And the Gentiles took up the baton and became God’s messenger

So God’s plan, of banishing   his people for a time to captivity, and then enabling them to return, after sending his Son to die to redeem his elect. Failed until 2000 years later?

His people after being in captivity and being admonished by God, chose to return to their homeland, had the benefit of the good news by the disciples, and were in the best position to understand the message, but declined the offer

So what has happen in the last 2000 years?

The message has been proclaimed throughout the world,

By who, Gentiles

From where, don’t know, maybe Europe

Where are the 12 tribes of Israel, don’t know

How many races have disappeared?

Chinese no, Japanese no, African no, Indians no

So we are sure that the word gentile in Acts refers to all peoples other than Israel

So who is the wheat?

Who are the tares?

Have they some national origin for identification

Or do we just make some sense of what’s going on in the last days by the children of God blanket statement

And the rest are the bad guys

Consider the timing and content of Peters vision, about accepting the gentiles, did the Israelites ignore it

God with foreknowledge selected Israel, send his son for their redemption, and watch a group of Gentiles take over the role

And how does God reconcile with the millions of Israelites, who are either lost or won’t accept the son

Who wouldn’t accept Jesus Christ, the Jews of the temple, and what did he say of them, you are of your father the devil

The Jews of today are a religion not a race of people, and how they will be reconciled in the last days will be some neat trick, and what about the Jews that are gone before, are they lost, because they weren’t born in the last days

The word of God is perfect and there are no loose ends, if there are, it’s our interpretation, that’s the problem

ANSWER: Dear David,

Genealogies and cultures no longer count in God's kingdom but a true human spirit. The accidents of birth are a bad way to elect the elect. It is fairer now. Anyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved! Anyone.

It is a question of spirit now and not heritage. If we obey the Lord,s way of redemption we are in . If not we are out. God does not want any "bad guys" in His new heaven and earth.

So the 12 tribes are now incidental. What matters is "faith operating through love" Galatians 5.


Jesus said that the Father would not lose anyone that is His. And He does not lose anyone. But those who rebel and turn against Him are refused no matter what background culture they come from.

"God commands all men everywhere to repent now" Acts 17.


God can see the human spirit and knows who are true and who are false. No one goes to heaven by mistake and not one goes to hell by mistake. Everything is totally just and total true, with the Lord.

Concerning the 12 tribes , this is a historical issue, not a Christian issue. God's kingdom is no longer one of theocratical government here on earth. It is ruling over the very essence or spirits of men. Those who are of love follow Him, even if the trip up. Those who are not "of love", do not. The choice is theirs.

No injustice is done in eternity everything is reconciled. Those who lost out gain and those who gained loose out, so to speak. Everything is made just and everything is put right.


Being a Jew or being a Greek does not commend anyone in God's eyes now, but obeying the true.

Hope this helps?

God bless

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QUESTION: I AM THE LORD GOD I CHANGE NOT

1.   God set up nation of Israel
2.   Within that nation was the church
3.   the church was both  the spiritual and civil leader of the nation
4.   no intermarriage was allowed
5.   if the were sinful, the blessing would cease
6.   Israel were to be a light to the other nations
Jesus came and the goal posts moved, even though, he came to do the will of his father

1.   nations don’t matter anymore
2.   Only the church matters
3.   God does not want to direct governments like before
4.   intermarriage is encouraged
5.   you can’t have a nation with blessing or curses anymore, the church is everywhere
6.   no nation can be a light anymore, they all varying numbers of church members

The secret to understanding the bible is to work out the perfect formulas, and then apply those formulas to every scripture

We can do that because god is perfect and so is his plan

It is like a manual for an electronic diagram, the full details and formulas provided

I know a transistor is operating if the voltage across a resistor has a voltage drop across it, the current is flowing, and that’s subject to formulas

And that is one way I can solve a circuit diagram problem

The bible interprets the bible, how can anything be changed

If changes are ok, how can I be certain of God’s promises?

If the sun and moon changed then I

There is an OT requirement for the shedding of blood to satisfy the law of God what has changed

Bible prophecy is all about nations, the nation of Israel is supposed to be set up again

Nation will be against nation

The centre light in the middle of the room, has been replaced, and there are small lights in the darkness mixed together with other Gods and religion all over the world

The majority of churches are located within nations, and they appear to be more blessed than other nations with other Gods

There are nations with similar laws to the law of God and have been blessed why?

Totally agree it doesn’t matter who you are, if you haven’t the son you’re lost

David

Answer
Dear David,

You have not mentioned the Holy Spirit. This person of God that makes all equal. This being whom Jesus brought to the earth realm.

This was the whole point of the Old Testament. To culminate in Christ and so make all equal. None to be chosen on the basis of geography or culture.

God bless