Expert: Spirit Sword - 9/2/2005

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hello i am a muslim and i like to aask u that
1) in the bible it is mentioned that it is ment for that time and that people so is the bible not out dated?
2)there are so many testemates of bible  there is only one given to jesus?
3)since no one has been able to find out a single error in the quran then why dont u believe in the last and final revelation sent by God ?
hope that you will not mind that it is only an invitation towards the correct path
   :o people of the book come to terms between us and u that we worship none but Allah :
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Hello,


Thank you for your questions.  


1) in the bible it is mentioned that it is ment for that time and that people so is the bible not out dated?

I'm not quite sure what verse you are referring to.  I'm very sure the Bible doesn't have any verse that states this.  What you may be referring to is the Old Testament.  Some of the Old Testament laws and rituals are no longer practiced because the Lord Jesus has come.  However, the Bible and its message are timeless.   


2)there are so many testemates of bible there is only one given to jesus?

Actually the whole Bible is about Jesus.  We read in the Old Testament for instance when Abraham was about to sacrifice his *only son* Isaac (Genesis 22) that this is really a historical parable pointing to God's sacrifice of His *only Son* Jesus.    When we read about how the Israelites sacrificed animal sacrifices such as lambs, this is also a historical parable pointing to the Lord Jesus as the true Lamb who was sacrificed on the cross for our sins.  When we read about how in the Old Testament how the Israelites were thirsty and Moses struck the rock in the wilderness and water came out (Exodus 17:6), this is a picture of God (Jesus) who is our true rock (Deuteronomy 32:4) and out of Him comes the water of eternal life (John 4:14).  Please also read (1 Corinthians 10:4)       

3)since no one has been able to find out a single error in the quran then why dont u believe in the last and final revelation sent by God ?

I believe that the Bible is from God because over the years I have become to realized that the Bible cannot be man made.    The Bible is a very deep book and after studying it for a long time I have realized that it is impossible that it is a man made book.  The Bible in itself is very Holy.  

So therefore since I am 100% convinced that the Bible is from God I am convinced that the message in the scriptures are true.  Could there be another book like the quran that is from God?   The reason why I don't think that there is another revelation from God is because the Bible states in the last chapter of the book of revelation.   

Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Therefore what God is saying is that it is impossible for there to be any more divine revelation from God.  Once the Bible was completed there ceased to be any more messages coming from God.   All that God wants to say to mankind and all the laws he reveals to us are in the Bible alone.   
There is no more further revelation from God.  


Why do you believe that the Quran is from God?   This is now an invitation for you to share your belief if you wish to do so.   


Spirit Sword
   hello ;
         first i ask u have u read the holy Quran once u read it inshallah you will be able to find out that it is the last revelation from God and also we muslims believe that there are many revelations sent by God on the face of the earth by name we know only four one of them was bible(ingeel) given to jesus(isa) and we also believe in all the messengers sent by God on the face of the earth  including jesus(isa) but the present bible is not the bible given to jesus because it contains errors scientificly wrong thing (i hope u know that)
2)we accept  the holy Quran the final revelation because we are true belivers and we do not recquire  mericles to believe and we also believe as prophet muhammad p.b.u.h to be the last messenger of Allah .
but for u to believe i have several things to tell u          3)Quran mentions several scientific facts which modern science has newly  discovered
1)the light of the moon is its reflected light
2)Quran tells us that the mountains are nails of earth and they give stableness to earth which geology a newly developed science has discovered
3) the sweet water cannot get mixed with the salty water between then there is a barrior which is forbeddin to be dispassed and there are many more facts mentioned
         if someone does not belief than quran gives a test for him that if u do not belief in the quran than make a verse like that in the quran if u think that it is not from your God(why dont u opt for it)
    'and when it is said to them that come to this book and the prophet they say we are fine with our own methods in which we have found our ansisters. do u always obey your ansisters even then if they do not know any thing and they are not in the correct path (quran)
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Hello Wasim,


You seem to be very set in your mind that the Quran is the only word from God.  Unfortunately you will not believe anything I say about the Bible.

The Bible was never meant to be a scientific book.  It was meant to spread the gospel of hope to a fallen human race.  Whether or not there are scientific flaws are irrelevant to the purpose of scripture.  The purpose of the scriptures is to help assist mankind in restoring a right relationship with God through our Lord Jesus.   It's primary goal is to save mankind from being damned into hell forevermore by spreading the gospel of peace.  It has the ability to change man's heart for a greater good and to turn men's lives around.   

It is only when you seriously study the scriptures will you find that it is the only truth.  Unfortunately I'm convinced that anyone who does not believe the Bible falls under one or both of these two categories:      

1. Denying the fact that it is the truth.
2. Has not studied the scriptures carefully.        

If you have studied the scriptures carefully and meticulously you will find that it is impossible for the scriptures to have been man made.   Unfortunately you cannot convince me that this is the same with the Quran. Trying to prove that the Quran backs scientific evidence does not in itself convince me that it is the true word from God.
 
Here is my challenge for you.   Since you are convinced that the Bible is false, why not read and study it for yourself?  Since it is false, it wouldn't hurt your faith in the Quran ... correct?   Why not take the time to study the scriptures carefully to make sure that it is *not* true?   It is better to make sure you know the truth now before it is too late?  

Here is a hypothetical question.  What happens if the Bible *does* happen to be true?   What would you do then?  


Spirit Sword
         hello
if Quran mentions scientific facts 1400 years ago and u cannot believe then tell me how Quran mentions such facts 1400 years ago?
2)you have written that scientific evidences cannot convince u  than what can convince u about the truth of islam and Quran?
i think u have a misconception that i do not believe that bible is a word of God but what i say is that the bible avilable today is not totally that which is given to jesus(isa) it contains human work as well that is why there are so many wrong things in it .
     i know that bible is not a book of science but i think that u also have the believe that God cannot make mistake isnt it? ( this proofs that it contain human work)  if so than either scientific or else why bible has mistakes ?(there are so many testemates avalible one cantaining the thing that other does not contain) then if still u say that it is 100% correct then i think it is useless to bargain with u
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Hello Wasim,


 You say that the Quran contains scientific facts, however, are you using this as a basis for why you believe that the Quran is the truth?  Besides your claim that the Quran contains scientific facts, how is it that you are 100% convinced in your mind that the Quran is the truth?  

 Ok, here is a deal for you.  If you would like for me to consider that the Quran is divinely inspired and is the truth then show me *proof* through the Quran that the Quran is divine in nature.  I'm *not* talking about scientific proof or historical proof, for this is secular evidence.  Instead of attacking the Bible and Christianity, show me proof through the Quran that will convince me that the book is indeed divine in origin.  Show me proof that the Quran could not be a book written by a human mind.  I'm willing to make a bet you cannot answer this question.  If you cannot answer this question, how can it be that you are convinced that Quran is divine and is the truth?  Are you being taught to believe in something that perhaps could be false?   Could there be possible that it is wrong?  How do you know with absolute certainty what you believe in isn't a false religion?    

I can make a very good claim as to why the scriptures are divine in origin.  If you want me to answer these questions I can!  The basis for my belief is knowing that the scriptures itself are divine in origin.         

I can give you hundreds of reasons why I believe that the Bible is the truth yet none of them are based upon miracles, science or secular/historical evidence.  It is all based upon the message and text of scripture itself!    


Spirit Sword

besides answering my questions u are posing questions becausee i think u dont know the answers bible was time bounded it is mentioned in the bible that jesus says :i am not sent but to the lostship  of israil: this means that he was only sent to the people of isreal and its message was time bounded once the prophet muhammad pbuh came and the quran was reveled to him now every christin should follow the commandments of Quran the last and the final revelation once prophet said if moses(musa) were here he would follow what i brought   
1)only the science is not there to proof that the quran is the word of God there are so many things its language is so unique it was reveled in arabic and no arabic has been able to pass the test mentioned in the quran that if u think that it is not from your God than make one verse like that in the Quran but no one has been able to do it and no one will be able to do it and those who have attempted have failed misrabily i think this is an eye opener for any unbeliver
3) quran is there for 1400 years and it is unchanged bible is changed  its not in its original form
Islam is today the fastest spreading religin because of its truth people search truth and remember moses jesus  ibhraim was also a muslim  
bye

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Hello Wasim,


I'm disappointed, I was hoping that you would have answered my question regarding the divinity of the Quran.  I was willing to listen to your position about the Muslim faith.  In fact if you could have convinced me using the Quran that it is divine in origin I might even have to rethink my faith!  However, you have not convinced me that the Quran is divine in origin.  How then can I believe that what you say is true?    

Nevertheless I think that my e-mail exchange with you has been very friendly and I appreciate this talk!  

But here is my main point.  If you don't know whether or not that the Quran is divine in origin, how sure can you be that it is definitely the word of the true God?   Any book can be made by a human being and can be said to have been from God.  Why is the Quran different from every other
man made book in the world?   If it is divine in origin it *must* have a distinction.  Do not come to the conclusion that it is the word of God unless you are convinced that it is divine in origin rather than man made.

    
Even today in the Christian world there are several branches of "Christianity" that are not teaching scriptural doctrine and yet there are hundreds of thousands of people that believe in what they are taught!  Just because so many thousands of people believe in something doesn't mean
it must be true.     

True religious faith is not based upon blind belief.  True religious faith is not based upon the massive amounts of people that believe in the same thing nor is it based upon what you have been taught by teachers.  It is based upon knowing that the origins of what you believe cannot be from a human being.  You need to question why is something true before believing something is true!          

I'm willing to share with you why I believe the Bible is divine in origin. Using scriptures I can share with you some of the depths and riches of the gospel to show why I believe it is divine in origin if you are willing to listen.   If you are willing to keep an open mind please e-mail me back.    

Take care!  Feel free to e-mail whenever you wish.   


Spirit Sword