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NagaShadow wrote at 2006-07-04 19:18:41
I am not one of the biggest fans of David Bowie (but my girlfriend is), and I am far from being an expert.

Yet I would like to correct you on one quote: Bowie never said Britain NEEDED a Fascit government, he said Britain was READY to have one, which is quite different. After all, nowadays France would quite be ready to have one, but certainly doesn't need one (and hopefully doesn't want one....)

surfer9999 wrote at 2007-04-20 14:02:48
A good answer generally, but gets off-track regarding its assertion that Hitler was involved in the occult. There is simply zero evidence for this. For a more reasonable discussion consult the scholarly book the Occult Roots of Nazism. As well a good artcle in a back-issue of the fine magazine Gnosis covers this (do a google search for their site).

As far as Bowie being anti-semitic, it's patently absurd. He had no problem working with Iggy Pop and Lou Reed (both Jews)

Natasha Gerson wrote at 2007-05-11 13:27:12
Thanks for you lengthy answer. It can be summarised, therefore as:

Question: Is or was Bowie ever a nazi?

Answer: No, he just is or was a general asshole

Nat wrote at 2007-11-13 10:45:40

David Bowie was never a fascist or an antisemite. This was all invented in the mind of the media. For the full story, check out this link:

sean wrote at 2007-12-05 17:40:40
Hitler may or may not have actually been involved in the occult, but it is certainly a common enough belief that he was that it is easy to believe that Bowie believed it.

I mean, if the guy is following Crowley's teachings, he'll surely believe a lot of shit.

2nd*man wrote at 2008-11-18 22:36:11
Bowie was warning us that there is a hidden fascist agenda operating globaly behind the scenes (Big Brother). After the events of 9/11 (New York was a go go) this seems very apparent. Depression leads to fascism, just like Germany felt back in the thirties.

Swannie wrote at 2008-12-18 05:04:31
Dear Natasha Gerson,

I certainly wonder how you can make such a direct and unfounded statement that David Bowie is an asshole!! All the people in the entertainment and media world that has met and been around him basically all say the same thing about their encounter: he is one of the funniest and most intelligent man you could ever meet and also a true gentleman. Like many great artists, they may be near insanity at a time in their career but we do not judge them on that but rather on their work. Too many examples to list! It is pretty obvious to me that you have really no clue what this man is all about and just made a knee jerk statement because he made some nazi references taking out of context and during a a few years when he was high on drugs as most rock stars were in the 60's and 70's.

Getting in the habit of learning more about a person before calling them an asshole certainly seems like a good area for you to focus on for continued growth and improvement in your personality.


Haakan Swanberg  

mochiman wrote at 2009-01-14 02:51:26
Playing at Israel was an error and I'm truly disappointed on Bowie's choice. As a fan of Bowie, I hope he'll never return again to Israel.

: (

but anyway, Queen played in South Africa in the 80s, and that was a wrong decission too.

Paul wrote at 2009-05-10 00:11:14
When Bowie made these comments Britain was experiencing a swing to the right. The then Labour government was unpopular and a fascist group called The National Front was making some headway. Other artists like Eric Clapton also made statements supporting a far-right politician called Enoch Powell around this time. Bowie's and Clapton's statements was one of the reasons that a left wing cultural group called Rock Against Racism was formed.

Bowie later said in an interview in the mid-80's that the atmosphere in Britain at that time affected his writing and general views. When he later recorded in Germany at the time of 'Low' he said that he was confronted by German socialists about the Victoria incident and the Playboy interview and Bowie recanted.

Two interesting tidbits related to this is that I read an early Bowie biography by his first manager that stated that both Bowie's parents had been members of Oswald Mosely's Union Movement in South London in the late 40's #Oswald Mosely was a British fascist leader#. Also the British Union of Fascists 'Circle and Flash' insignia was used as a backdrop during the Ziggy Stardust tour and can be observed at the famous Hammersmith recording. I don't think this is a coincident as Bowie could have grown up in a household where such images were on view.

Jane wrote at 2009-05-15 10:10:53
Hear hear to Swannie regarding Natasha Gerson's offering.

Bowie may be or may have been been many things, be them good or bad. But an asshole he most certainly ain't.

Imani Hekima wrote at 2009-07-05 12:13:56
I really enjoyed reading this breakdown of the 'Bowie episode' Jamie. One of the best I've read. Many thanks!

Imani, UK.

daneebee wrote at 2010-05-13 02:47:44
Bowie never actually gave a Nazi salute at Victoria Station!! It was simply a wave.. See what damage a photograph can do..  He did however give off a very Germanic-Aryan vibe that day, and that year for that matter..But, the press and everyone else just saw what they wanted to.  Danny B.  

Haifisch wrote at 2011-01-19 20:02:52
Terrbible spelling, but a very interesting article!  Thanks!

One thing though - Franco was not the king of Spain!!  He was a dictator - the monarchy was restored after his death.

Haifisch wrote at 2011-01-19 20:03:04
Terrible spelling, but a very interesting article!  Thanks!

One thing though - Franco was not the king of Spain!!  He was a dictator - the monarchy was restored after his death.

Songsmith wrote at 2011-10-28 16:43:40
Sorry, but you have totally missed the boat here. Bowie often spoke of how Americans loved to try and read into his lyrics, almost always getting them wrong. He often wrote straight forward, as in this song, but the masses tried to anylize it far too much. If you truly listen to 'quicksand', it is Adolph Hitler himself, as the narrator. The Crowley, Himmler, Garbo (the spy), living proof of Churchills lies (Hitler himself was that living proof). All of these were things Hitler was heavily into, and he is mourning the fact that he is about to enter the ragged 'hole' (the bunker), where he begins to sink in the quicksand of his thoughts, and he 'aint' got the 'power' anymore.

He realizes now that he had the potential of a superman, but is just a mortal. He began life as a follower of God, but turned on faith in God, for the occult. He wonders if he should taste the vipers fang (poison) of shoot himself. Bowie was fascinated with Hitler, and this is his take on the sadness and resolve he felt in his last moments in the bunker.

nickman61 wrote at 2011-12-27 13:47:34
I think this is a bit of an apologetic answer on Bowie’s behalf.

Essentially you are saying he was drunk and stoned and manipulating the media. Drink and illicit drugs taken in excess can and do make people behave bizarrely as with Clapton at the Bham gig and I know that being a public figure must a dangerous place to be in that condition and think out loud. The media manipulation is less forgivable. Why upset and insult so many people just to sell concert tickets. Not a very pleasant course of action by any standards.

I do not believe Bowie to be a racist but should one be so contrite in reasoning his behaviour. Understand yes, lets hope he has learned.!/pages/A-lie-ca

Graham Greenbadge wrote at 2012-01-28 17:18:10
Bowie is not an anti-semite - although the photo of him 'waving' to fans from the back of an open top limousine (at Victoria Station I think) looked uncannily like a nazi salute (but as my wife says, the bloke was wrecked on drugs during this entire period).  

Just a couple of comments on the above comments re Bowie working with Jews. Lou Reed is, but Iggy is not (yes, he is a titch; yes, his real names ends in 'berg', but no, he isn't Jewish).  Bowie's manager during the 70's however was.  His name was Tony Defries and he hailed from Shepherds Bush.

Finally, may I say to the chap condemning Bowie for playing Israel, leave it out.  On a topic asking if Bowie was an anti-semite he gets slagged off for playing a gig in the Jewish nation state (which is not, by any legal measure you wish to apply, an apartheid country).  This is the way the bonkers and confused mind of the Israel bashing anti-zionist works.  Incredibly similar to the mind of the anti-semite, one might argue.  

mysticlotus wrote at 2012-06-17 04:23:23
Total misunderstanding of Bowie. Notes a few events and totally misses the point and motivations.Mustgive credit were credits due. Bowie did do a lot of Coke!!!!!!!!!!

fuxi wrote at 2012-06-24 09:36:24
A highly interesting answer from Jamie. I take it that most of his comments on Crowley and Himmler are largely correct.

On at least one point I have to differ, though. Bowie never gave a nazi salute at Victoria Station. At one point he raised his arm in greeting; this was captured on camera and happened to LOOK like a nazi slaute.

halloweenJack wrote at 2012-07-11 20:52:50
Except for the opening and closing paragraphs Jamie all you did was copy and paste one of your earlier writings on usenet.

Dali*Broach wrote at 2015-03-20 11:25:04
Very interesting article by Jamie Soule, I applaud the answer.

A few details are conflated towards the end of the article.  Although Kurt Vonnegut is mentioned on the cover of the issue in question, Cameron Crowe conducted the Playboy magazine interview. The satellite interview was a separate event conducted by Russell Harty for his TV show.  

bzfgt wrote at 2016-01-19 05:10:38
The Nazi Salute thing is false, he was just waving and in the picture it doesn't even look much like a Nazi salute. And in the interview Bowie says a far right government is needed so people get wise to it and get rid of it and make something better, a government to wake them up rather than to be an actual desired state of affairs--silly comments for sure but far more ambiguous than you've described them to be. Also the interview seems to be with Cameron Crowe rather than Vonnegut, unless that's a different interview with nearly identical comments, for the same magazine:  

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I am able to answer questions about Bowie`s career and his personal life. I can provide in depth information about his music, what his lyrics mean, the recording sessions and the people he has worked with. On the business side I can tell you what companies he owns and how they work, such as Bowiebanc. I can answer questions on his personal life as well as each of his so called "characters." If you require information about his concerts I am able to give first hand accounts.


I have been a David Bowie collector for 29 years. I have a large selection of biographies, discographies, magazine articles and newspaper reviews. I have well over 150 audio recordings and a major video library. I have seen every tour since 1974.

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