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About Justin Choo
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When in doubt seek it out. All your questions will be answered, and you may not have to agree with the answers. Such is the beauty of Buddhism. You are free to decide. I follow the Theravada tradition. Please view my profile for more details. I have answered more than a thousand questions since joining this category. You are welcome to try me.

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I was brought up in the 50's as a Buddhist. For the past 30 years I have read numerous books on Buddhism and listened to numerous talks on Buddhism by well-respected and learned monks and lay teachers. I conduct Buddhist classes for parents of Sunday School children in a Theravada Buddhist Temple. My teacher was the late Chief Reverend, The Ven. K Sri Dhammananda of The Brickfields Buddhist Mahavihara, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. You can view the relevent website in memory of my revered late teacher @ http://www.ksridhammananda.com

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I am a life member of the Buddhist Missionary Society Malaysia.

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YOU ARE INVITED TO VISIT MY BLOG @ http://lifeislikethat999.blogspot.com/ Published a book called "The Rainbow And The Treasure". It is a compilation of extracts from various sources to introduce Buddhism to beginners. (Currently out of print)

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Bachelor of Commerce And Administration, Victoria University Of Wellington, NZ.(1974)

 
   

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Buddhists - natural mind


Expert: Justin Choo - 7/22/2005

Question
Hello justin, I hope you are happy and healthy.  I have another question for you:  I have read a lot about "natural mind" or finding the "natural state" of my mind during meditation. Does this natural state mean letting my thoughts (good and bad) flow through me without holding on during meditation?  Or does this natural state mean a feeling of "no thought" where the mind is simply pointed at the here and now? Thanks again for helping me along the way, may you be happy and healthy always.

Answer
Hi Greg,

Nice to hear from you again.

You are talking about the subject of meditation; Buddhist meditation for that matter.  It is important to emphasize "BUDDHIST MEDITATION".  I don't know whether to regard it as "tradition" or "trend" to always separate Buddhist meditation into Vipassana (Insight) and Samatha (Tranquility).  To me, Buddhist meditation IS simply Buddhist meditation.  There is always this debate between these 2 types of meditation.  I regard this futile exercise as a sheer waste of time.

Meditation is simply to know the mind, to tame the mind, and ultimately, to cultivate the mind.  The first step is to understand this mind; that it wanders continuously.  Knowing that, we train this mind to stay "quiet", until it is tamed.  With a trained mind, we can now start to "teach" this mind to do the "tricks" that we want it to do.  An untrained person is with a mind that is not trained.  The mind becomes the master, and the person becomes the slave.  He will succumb to the whims and fancies of his mind.  And he is in trouble; just like most people.  With a trained mind, a person is the master of the mind, and the mind is the "slave" of the person.  The person has full control of his mind.  He will direct his mind to do what he wants and not what the mind wants.  He becomes a skilful person with wisdom.  He will live in peace and happiness.

As an analogy, an untrained dog-owner taking his untrained dog for a walk, is actually allowing the dog to take him for a walk. The dog will drag and pull him, and the owner simply follows the leash!  This is like the mind taking us for a walk.

The owner has to know that it is the wrong method.  He has to learn the technique to train the dog.  Once the dog is trained to obey instructions, the owner can then teach the dogs other tricks.

Coming back to your questions.  First we must tame our mind.  The method is to focus on an object so that whenever the mind wanders, it is pulled back to that object of concentration. This is to confirm your second question.  This is Samatha or Tranquility.

The next step is to teach your mind to perform "tricks" that you want it to do.  This corresponds to your first question.  Our mind always wanders, because we allow it the freedom to create havoc in our lives.  The method to train this mind is to know its nature.  Whenever a thought comes, simply NOTE THE THOUGHT.  Whatever comes simply note...PERIOD.  When we become skilful in this exercise, we will notice that whenever and whatever the mind thinks or feels, we just note and finish with it.  No more stray thoughts, no more problems.  This is what the Buddha called "the four foundation of mindfulness".  This is Vipassana or Insight.  We understand the nature of the mind, and we know how to direct it to our advantage.

Both tranquility and insight must come together if one is to experience calm and wisdom.  With only tranquility, these is no wisdom.  Without tranquility, there is no way one can gain insight.  So as far as I understand, Buddhist meditation must have both.

Happy meditating.  See you again.

Smile from justinchoo :-)  

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