Business Software/Javelin Plus 3.5 software


doctor bean wrote at 2007-11-08 01:44:43
I have got the original Javelin boxed with 5.25 disks. Its an amazing piece of software. I cannot believe it has not been updated. It was written by a genius. I have ran it under windows and imported and exported from it. It doesn't like windows so its difficult to run in full screen mode although I have managed it. Its partly because the screen mode is too high for its drivers. It works easiest in safe mode or on an old 386 computer. Because the printer drivers are so old you have to use the old epsom standard dot matrix through LPT port or an ancient equivalent It does graphs and everything. You can adjust the graph and change data by doing so. Data is held on a time basis. You can build really complex business models, also it is very versatile. I use it with smartware which is another favourite of mine. The program runs on just 64k of memory.

Because lotus 123 was big at the time the format can be used for importing into open office and until recently excel. Because of memory demands the application has few cosmetic features just raw power. It has all different views and you can see 2 views at the same time. It also shows a hierarchical chart of your model in different colours. I have tried Quantrix and find it not as versatile and very expensive. Importing into the spreadsheet is really freaky because you can enter fields at the top and side like dates etc and they are then integrated into the central database. Almost like composing a picture. Talk about creative accounting. Don't let the boys at the treasury get their hands on it!

Grigby wrote at 2009-09-12 23:13:52
Hey guys  I probably know more about Javelin that most people. Javelin was not a multi-function program like Symphony and Framework rather it was true modeling interface to a database that gave you a model that could be easily audited for accuracy. I actually used a version of Javelin as late as 2001 to model a business. In a matter of several weeks Delloitt, Haskins and Sells now Deloitte Touche built a company wide modeling system all in Javelin that modelled every practice office from staff hours up and consolidated them on a single PC in New York. All of the updates and imports were done at night with a dial-up and import process. The consolidation Building block contain the consolidation logic for inter-company eliminations and consolidated data. We used the macro language extensively to not only consolidate the data, but also to replicate model logic across the company model structure.  (See the following comment as well)

grigby wrote at 2009-09-12 23:25:46
The other model I developed was for Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp. In three days I was able to build a lease consolidated model for all of the North American leasing operations using Javelin's formula based interface and the highly flexible macro language. The fact that it was not "cell address" dependent meant that it was easy to verify the structure of the model and errors were few. When there was an error it was clearly visible. I do little modeling now, but I wish there was a system that worked in a windows environment, I would drop Excel in a flash for the ease of use, accuracy, and flexibility of Javelin. Having built models for numerous companies in many countries and industries, I can confirm there has never been a program like Javelin. One key to its potential might be that when Javelin was about to be announced, Lotus announced the Lotus 123 add-on called HAL. Hal was ill fated from the start, never had a future and was a ploy   to stop Javelin before it could gain a foothold. A brilliant strategy that did work. Two years later however, Javelin fought back by being the first major software product to drop its price from the $500 range to the $100 range and removing copy protection. That had a significant effect on all of the major vendors, Lotus, Ansa, Word Perfect, and Ashton Tate. True Javelin is long gone, but for those of us who still remember it, we know the value the product truly delivered.

moy wrote at 2009-10-02 19:32:36

Javelin Plus cant be covered up forever .

 Because ppl like me will pay $200 a copy .

 Today is only starving programmers , hoping to

 create , to sell the copyright to Bill Gates for


2.3 million .

  But Bill has bought enough to cover all s/w

that has the "Look and feel of "

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Paul wrote at 2010-10-07 18:57:25
Javelin Plus is alive and well at La Posada in Green Valley AZ. We run it on Win XP with and icon that supports expanded memory. It also runs in Sun's VM Box on Win 7. We have 8 active models, the largest file is 5.5Mb with 18+ years of data. We do many imports and exports (PRN WKS) for integrating with other systems & tools.

chris wrote at 2011-03-23 15:33:42
The Problem with Spreadsheets:

Anyone my age may remember Supercalc and Lotus123, and maybe Framework. The more geeky of us will recall Visicalc, Dan Bricklin's wonderful ground-breaking efforts made popular on early Apple II machines. Visicalc versions were available for Atari 400/800s, Commodore Pet, and the Spectrum. Supercalc, the fleetest-of-foot of the lot, arrived on a small handful of 720k diskettes and would run happily and blazingly quick  on a machine  with just 640k of memory. Today's latest Microsoft offering, Excel2007, is 30x the size and certainly no quicker (imho).

And all of these tools, brilliant though they may be, share one huge drawback when used for time-based modelling (99% of all modelling tasks are time-based, and for pure financial models this closes up to 100%).

They do not fundamentally understand the concept of time: time has to be coded in arbitrarily, either by formulae or more commonly architecturally by assigning time-periods to rows or columns, and this in turn leads to a material risk of accidents carrying potentially fatal consequences. Let me explain...

Lets say you are charged with preparing an annual budget for an import agent. This agent has an LC facility with a bank worth £20m. There is a 3-day gap between a Letter of Credit being issued by the agent to the exporter, which the agent must do before the goods are loaded on board ship, and receipt of a Bill of Exchange from the domestic buyer which will not be issued until they have sight of a bill of lading from the exporter. This £20m facility must be sufficient to cover this temporary exposure. An agent would also have insurance against default on the Bill of Exchange, which he will 'discount' for cash at the earliest moment.

The problem that this scenario gives us when preparing a budget is that, over the course of a single month (the usual time-resolution of a column in a spreadsheet) this exposure is invisible. Its not there at the beginning of a month, and its not there at the end of the month either - it all occurred 'in the middle' over a 3 day period, and cancelled itself out. The fact that the agent ran up a £20m overdraft during the month, and settled it 3 days later, is nowhere to be seen on a spreadsheet with a monthly time-resolution.

Effectively, if you decide that the annual budgeted turnover is £240m, occurring evenly throughout the year, a 12-column spreadsheet will treat each of 12x£20m transactions as occuring mid-month, unless we make very complex adjustments. When all this filters down to a cash-flow forecast on your spreadsheet, as you look at your 12 periodic cash balances, it doesnt look like you need any banking facilities at all! The £20m you actually need is hidden away in the invisible middle of his time-periods.

Now actually what is happening is that, because the time-bucket (T) of 1 month duration (the 'Granularity' of the model) any transactions which are settled inside (approx) T/2 become invisible.

There are other problems too. Chances are that sales dont accrue evenly over the year, and they arn't in in  nice regular £20m chunks (the way they must look on a 12-column spreadsheet). Maybe the average transaction is £7m, and maybe they occur randomly - which means they can cluster up to maybe £30m depending on the ravages of chance. All of these factors make a simple 12-column budget hopelessly misleading.

Well - why not have a 365 column spreadsheet, so each column is a day in length? (You may well ask).

The answer is, you can - but beware. Sales may accrue daily, but many budget expenses accrue weekly, monthly, or quarterly, possibly annually. Its not easy to account for variables which have a naturally different periodicity on a spreadsheet - which essentially imposes a fixed granularity for the entire budget/forecast period.

How much better it would be if MSExcel understood time! Within  the same model we could make sales a 'daily' variable, salaries a 'monthly' variable, rent a 'quarterly' variable, audit fees an 'annual' variable. We could make bank interest a 'daily', and the margin charged a 'constant' (ie not time-based at all). If we could then state how each variable multiplies up to longer periods, or how it divides down into shorter chunks (for example, a 'daily' bank balance is not additive over a month - the monthly balance equals the daily balance at the end of the last day of the month).

Finally, if we had a comprehensive set of financial and date functions equal to the latest efforts from Microsoft, and stored all our data in a central database which could be 'viewed' through any number of different spreadsheet lenses, we would rediscover the swiftest most intuitive modelling system ever devised for the desktop - JAVELIN.

I still use it - its runs well under XP and Windows7, on a 50-line screen, using up to 16MB of DPMI memory. There is nothing since Oracle bought it, and killed it in 1995, that comes close to it. In early 2000 Javelin was used to consolidate Financial Accounts for several divisions of British Steel, and I have used it to model asset finance companies and commodity brokerages.

Tom wrote at 2011-03-30 22:25:34
Would you be interested in putting the APP online somewhere ?

I was a heavy user back in the 80's and I'd love to show it to my current BI collegues.

I bet i still have some of the / -shortcuts in the back of my memory :-)



Paul R wrote at 2011-06-09 02:06:41
I'm using Javelin under DosBox with no problems.

However I'd be interested to know how to run it under XP with either expanded memeory (Paul) or with DPMI and a 50-line screen (Chris)

Chris wrote at 2011-11-14 21:31:02
Heres the URL to download Javelin3.5

Its the latest final incarnation, kindly sent to me by Rob Firmin (Thanks Rob!)

Have fun! Chris

Paul R wrote at 2011-11-29 23:59:27
Chris: thanks - I was using 3.1 so it's good to have the final version. I'm setting up an MS-DOS 6.22 partition on a machine that recently died so I will, hopefully, be running Javelin 'natively'.

Willie Gous wrote at 2012-04-23 21:34:13
We have been utilising Javelin since 1987 for the development of fully automated financial/management reporting and consolidation systems, for major corporate clients.

Over the years we had to overcome various hardware and operating system obstacles - currently we run Javelin in Windows XP-mode under 64-bit Windows 7 - works like a charm!

We're glad to see we're not alone!

After years of searching, we stumbled upon a worthy Javelin replacement,(not all Javelin's great features as yet ;), but it's GUI and innovative features make up for it.

There seems to be one 'problem', convincing some of the clients to migrate from Javelin to the new software!

Main reason being - Javelin was (and still is!) one of the best software products ever released...  

HMP wrote at 2012-07-01 22:28:02
    i have been looking for Javelin Plus for some time to no avail. In the mid eighties I started using it for quantitative models, it was generations ahead and still is beyond anything available today. I learned that the World Bank used it for their models but the company was sold to Oracle in 94, later the originator of the model made another company in 2004 or 2005 but closed it in 2006 or so. Will somebody get it to market again, it is a very intelligent program.  

Kuba wrote at 2013-07-03 18:08:50
I'm looking for a download as well. The link given somwhere above doesn't work anymore, and archive dot org doesn't have it :(

If anyone has this software available, I would *love* to get my hands on it. Thanks!

Jide wrote at 2016-02-11 15:09:38
Don't know if this is still relevant, but I have a copy of the Javelin software (ver 3.5).

Just let me know if you still need it.


EF wrote at 2016-07-17 02:29:59
It has been a long time since I thought about Javelin. It really was an extraordinary product. The key is that Javelin separated models, data and presentation and this is what separated Javelin from other products. While it did have a spreadsheet view as one of its features it would be wrong to consider it a spreadsheet product. Indeed, for those users who were intimately familiar with the various spreadsheet programs, this view was a source of unending frustration because it was really only intended for data storage or presentation and not data manipulation.

It really seemed to be an expression in software of the ideas presented by Peter Keen in his book “Decision Support Systems”

In contrast to spreadsheet programs which are very flexible and have been used for all kids of thing. Javelin specialized in Modeling and decision support.   It did that better than any other program that I have worked with.  

J.K. wrote at 2016-09-05 09:31:45
I still love Javelin Plus 3.5 too. Use it every day on a Windows XP computer, mainly for accounting. It also proves to be a great CRM system for my business. Noticed a comment here that it's possible to run Javelin in a Win7 environment. Have to try that, too.

stone wrote at 2016-10-16 11:53:33
Jide, you mention that you still have a copy of this available.  Could i possibly get it?  Thanks in advance.

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