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QUESTION: Hi Greg,
I am replacing a broken component on an entertainment unit and am trying to match the original stain.
my first attempt has failed.
Can i continue with additional stain until I get it right?
Can I apply stain over stain?
Can you offer me any pointers?
Thank You

ANSWER: Hi Lorne...it depends on what stain you're using and how heavy (how many coats) you need to apply. Often these pieces are 'toned', meaning sprayed with color over a stain or two, and it's almost impossible to make a perfect match without using the same techniques. The clear coat will also affect the overall color and look, so that has to be taken in to consideration as well. Often, multiple color coats are employed..(like a dye stain and then a Gel stain), to deepen the color or shift a hue slightly...or for creating glazing, shading, patina, etc...but it's imperative to use stains and finishes that are compatible. You can usually use a few coats if properly applied as per the manufacturers directions, but remember that each coat has to be wiped OFF after application...so if the issue is that you need to go dark,on a hard wood like Oak, you need to employ the right type of stain...and likely toning as well.It seems as if the only stain available is the ubiquitous "yellow can" seen everywhere, but in the realm of stains...it is NOT a great choice for many applications, especially matching am existing factory finish...post back- regards- Greg

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QUESTION: it's interesting what you say about the clear coat affecting the overall color.
when applying the stain I was quit satisfied with the degree of match with the original....and then the stain dried and now it looks like I need more stain work...
Maybe I just need a clear coat?

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Yes, likely now the addition of the clear coat will give a pretty good match.That will "wet" it again to bring out it's final 'look' I would suggest a Satin sheen..and then if you need it glossier you can work up to that...at least two clear coat applications, adjusting or allowing for final gloss level. Keep in mind that different stains (Dye, Gel,Oil, etc), all behave a little differently as well, and in color strength once dry. Also, Shellac,Lacquer, Varnish,oil polyurethanes, Acrylic urethanes, Waterborne oil modified products,Catalyzed products, etc., etc., all impart a 'look' to the final result as well, ambering, warmth, etc., all contribute to the clarity,hue, and gloss of the final finish...and all need to be used, in conjunction with whatever coloring techniques, to arrive at a suitable final match. That really comes with experience, though....but knowing all this certainly will make it easier...I hope!- regards- Greg

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Questions on Woodworking, wood finishing and refinishing of all kinds, repairing furniture and wooden objects, Architectural details, Woodturning, carving, tool usage, product usage, some chemistry as it applies to woodworking and related interests,cabinet making and furniture construction/design, etc. I have experience with all manners of colorants, finishes, paints, stains, dyes, glazes, and coatings, wood species recognition and usage,tool recommendations, blade types and recommendation,techniques and methods for many Woodworking related issues, etc.

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Fine furniture restorer and cabinet maker for over 30 years,serving high end Antique dealers, Interior designers, Collectors in the CT area. Consulting for area Painting/Decorating and Building contractors on non painting issues..(staining, wood prep.,clear finishing, floor restoration and architectural detail restoration and repair, etc.) Sold, built, serviced, setup Home, Industrial, and Commercial stationary woodworking tools for a major tool retailer in CT. for three years, sold hand and power tools , provided knowledge, parts replacement, service, and on site service, Trade show Demo, and training as well.

Publications
Published in Fine Woodworking Magazine (12/97), included on Fine Woodworkings first "Best of Fine Woodworking" CD-ROM (2002) ...("27 year compilation of expert know-how")

Education/Credentials
Art School at Silvermine Guild in Norwalk, CT., 9 year apprenticeship in a European run Cabinet and Restoration shop in CT., various classes on subjects having to do with the field. Seminars from major Tool manufacturers, Skil/Bosch, Delta, Powermatic, Ritter, Porter cable, Milwaukee, Dewalt/B&Decker, Performax.

Past/Present Clients
Many varied clients including work on Martha Stewarts' Westport, CT. show house, many fine Antique dealers and private collectors in and around Fairfield County and in Woodbury, CT. (the Antiques capital of CT.), Golden Age of Trucking Museum, Wilton Historical Society.

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