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Hi Rob,

You and I worked on my 92' Cadillac security issue.  I had already bypassed the key resistance chip and still had issues.  I saw your answer to the lady about her problem.  I changed my starting habits on my Cadillac.  Now, when I want to start it I insert the key and turn it to on.  Dash lights go on as well as the security light.  I wait 2 - 3 seconds and the security light goes off.  I then start the car.  I have been doing this for a couple of months and it appears to work.  I also like your answer about locking the driver door, close door and open with the key.  I will try that if the problem occurs.


Hi Bob,

The key being used for the door lock was designed to reset an optional factory alarm system and not the independent VATS.

For the truth as to auto theft and the Con the carrier uses to deny your claim, check out our 800 pound gorilla link. The nice thing about the web compared to the court room is no insurance defense attorney can turn any of this into a referendum on me as they try to do by besmirching my good name, knowingly misrepresenting my training, background and experience to judges and so on and so forth. I am a force that there is only one way to stop and that has been suggested as well.
There is a caveat here: They will as they always do, try to use my writings against me. I am used to it after 16 years.

I am done with all of these attacks after 10 years of them and I will start installing videos of numerous ways certain vehicles can be stolen, as well as demonstrating the utter bull crap the defense attorneys want the juries to believe about lock forensics and that a key of the proper type with the proper transponder was last used to drive the vehicle. After all, the vehicle was equipped with a so called "anti theft system." Another lie we are all told to believe that so-equipped, the vehicle is unstealable. There is no such thing, but the insurance defense counsel will do everything to make a jury feel this is true.

Ford calls their system PATS (Passive Anti Theft System). The system was never designed to [prevent the theft of the vehicle, yet it infers that the vehicle can't be stolen! A bald face lie is what we would call that in Texas! Others might call it consumer fraud!

Imports use "immobilizers." What does this system immobilize? The vehicle from moving? No!

Our site is going to demonstrate the reality v fiction. I was recently told at deposition from an opposing insurance attorney, I do all this for shock value. No, I do it to expose the truth and that is not what is being done with ignition forensics in most cases. The misrepresentation by the insurance forensic locksmiths and the defense attorneys do quite well at confusing juries on bad faith claims and prosecutors are real good at using this forensic hocus pocus to charge a prosecute insureds when there is no proof of fraud, but evidence that the vehicle could have been in fact stolen. In many cases, the catalyst to the investigation was the forensic locksmith rendering an opinion on a reported stolen vehicle was operated with a key of the proper type, even though he has no electronic evidence to define exactly what key. A thief's or the insureds? No one knows and assumed reasoning seems to take the place of fact.

I am going to change that from now on. Like me or hate me. Doesn't really matter. If it can't be proven, I will support my claims clients unless I have reason to believe otherwise!

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Alarm system questions cannot be answered on this forum. These systems are not what I can answer. Without being physically at the vehicle and not knowing what kind of electrical service has been done on the vehicle, there is no possible way to give an accurate answer over the internet. My expertise is in Ignition/key based anti-theft systems. These issues include GM VATS (resistor chip in key blade) PASSLOCK (MRD)-ignition lock rotation based, no special ignition key and the PKIII Transponder (computer chip in key) systems. These systems are not alarm based and are integral with the starting of the engine. This is why I cannot diagnose alarm problems without physically looking at the vehicle: Alarm systems are a completely different annimal than ignition key/lock based anti-theft system. Many alarm questions come from vehicles 10 years old, and since older, many hands that had been involved over the years.I am an expert in all GM factory (ignition/key based)systems. Alarm system questions pose to many situations beyond my knowledge as to what has been done to the vehicle over the years. Some guy may have actually wired the stereo into the alarm system. Who knows? Over my past 30 years in vehicle wiring repair, I have seen unbelievable wiring disaters done by guys that consider themselves "mechanics." I have seen stereos and alarms intalled using surgical tape. I have seen modules burn up, un-fused circuits, wiring jambed between the doors and even lamp cord used for a starter kill. To answer alarm questions over the internet without examining the vehicle is like asking; What does it take to remove a dent?


Education/Credentials-ASE certified. 11 years with a GM dealer and 17 years with a repair facility dealing with only the repair of theft recovered vehicles.

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