Canine Behavior/Fearful

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QUESTION: Dear Ms. Connor, thx in advance for reading my issue. Here's what I truly feel is going on, and I'm asking for your best suggestion/advice : Our little girl (just turned 5); she's a Lhasa Apso; we've had her since Jan of 09. She came with a bunch of issues, but only 2 really remain: DOG TO DOG - and DOG TO HUMAN - REACTIVITY. She lunges and barks when any other dog gets close , and if a person gets close to her, she'll lunge and bark as well. Without a doubt, that person would get bitten if they dared try to touch her. So, for the past 3 and a 1/4 years, we've simply kept her away from other dogs and most people. Every trainer we've had over have used different distraction methods - voice correction, shake cans, whistles, etc. While they do distract her, the next dog that comes near her, she'll go right back to the bark & lunge. Now, every trainer that's been over (only 2 in the last 6 months) - have firmly recommmended the e collar. They believe that is the only rememdy to fix this reactivity. NO WAY would I ever do an e collar, or as I understand, is the same exact thing as a Shock Collar. So, I am back to the beginning. I truly would like to avoid going to a CAAB or the like. They are quite expensive - and I believe there has to be someone in or near my area (Los Angeles) - that can help me organically solve this dog and human reactivity. Ms. Connor, please let me know what you feel I should do. We have come a ways with her; believe it or not, she just recently started to obey the "come" command. This is almost 4 years later. I know we sound like johnny come lately's - but my wife and I have done a pretty decent job from where we started out from. With much appreciation. Steve

ANSWER: I congratulate you for your unusual commitment to your dog, despite her issues.  An "E" collar is TOTALLY OUT OF THE QUESTION.  What punishment does is make a direct connection between stimulus (person) and pain, thereby escalating the fight/flight response (which is what you're seeing).  Dogs are not capable of managing this response since it is biologic (much like your own when the hair on your arms become erect if you are frightened, or your heart pounds).  Cognition is not available to a dog in fight/flight response.  The only thing that CAN work is counter conditioning and redirection to a behavior that the dog has learned is highly rewarding.

Forget trainers.

You've obviously spent time and money already and I can't see anything from here.  Since you feel the dog is at risk of actually biting, whether or not that is the case, the dog watches your body language and is most likely convinced there IS something to fear (not your fault, very common).  You DO need a CAAB, whether or not the expense is something you like to consider (and I understand THAT, as well!)

I realize that LA is not within easy driving distance of Berkeley but there you will find Dr. Ian Dunbar who is a superlative veterinary behaviorist.  He will no doubt be able to give you the name/number of someone in your area, someone he may very well have trained or at least knows is educated and capable.  I strongly urge you to contact his office:
http://www.siriuspup.com/about_founder.html

Dog to dog fear is not uncommon in the domestic dog if not properly socialized from the neonate phase or if the dog has had an early and frightening experience.  The potential for dog to human aggression, however, is serious enough to warrant attention.  At age five, she may experience response perseverance (meaning: it may be difficult, perhaps impossible, to change her reactions) but it's well worth the effort.  Meanwhile: protect the dog.  No need for her to be among "strange" people.  She can be confined to a safe and pleasant environment at least ten minutes before visitors are expected.


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QUESTION: Dear Ms. Connor, thx for taking time to reply. I have sent Mr. Dunbar an e mail asking for his best referral of somebody in my area. I want to make sure I am in sync with you. You're saying that I surely need either a CAAB or Veterinary Behaviorist ? And you're saying that Counter Conditioning and Redirection is also a must ? If correct on both counts - would I have any option if I found a reputable trainer that specializes in Counter Conditioning and Redirection formats ? My little girl is a rescue - we got her at 16 months - and at that point, she was at 5 places; first owner, shelter, rescue org, their trainer & their foster mom. Then we got her. I don't know why she is a fearful little girl. Anyhow, is there also a possibility that she's hardwired - and that the Dog to Dog - and Dog to Human - reactivity - is permanent ? Or do you believe that the right professional can help ?  Thank you again Ms. Connor. With appreciation, Steve

ANSWER: I would not trust a dog trainer, per se.  Anyone can call themselves anything.  A CAAB or veterinary behaviorist have both achieved educational and experiential credentials.  I'd stick with Dr. Dunbar's suggestions.


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QUESTION: Ms. Connor, what would be your next best advice - should Mr. Dunbar not get back to me ? Thanks, Steve

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HIGHLY unlikely Dr. Dunbar, or an associate of his, won't contact you.  But...should you fall through the proverbial "cracks"....tell him/his staff that Jill Connor, Ph.D. specifically sent you.  I interviewed him a few times on my radio show and have had cursory exchanges with him in the past years.  This is a dedicated, extremely knowledgeable and caring man.  He WILL respond to you one way or the other and, if anyone knows the appropriate professional in CA for you, it's him.

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I have spent my entire professional life rehabilitating the behavior of the domestic dog and I can answer any question regarding any behavior problem in any breed dog. I have answered more than 5,000 QUESTIONS on this site in the past (almost) eight years. If you are a caring, committed owner and need advice, I'm here for you. I am personally acquainted with my colleagues (Turid Rugaas, Ian Dunbar, etc.) who were members of an elite group in EGroups that I founded: K9Shrinks. THERE ARE NO QUICK FIXES for serious behavioral issues; not only is it unprofessional to offer same, it is also unethical. IF I ASK YOU SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS, I NEED YOU TO INTERACT WITH ME. More information equals more credible answers and a more successful outcome. If you want ANSWERS THAT WORK, participate in any way I request. I'm quite committed to working on this site for YOUR benefit and the benefit of YOUR DOG. Help me in any way you can.

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30 years of solving serious behavior problems in domestic dogs; expert in dog to human aggression; Internet columnist for ThePetChannel.com for 5 years; former radio talk show host, WHPC.FM, Garden City, NY "Bite Back" (1995 through 2000). List owner, international animal behavior experts, K9Shrinks@egroups.com. Seminar leader: "Operant Conditioning and Learning"; "Aggression in The Domestic Dog"; "Solving Problem Behaviors" -- conducted for various training facilities on Long Island from 1993 through 2000. Former clinical director of "Behavioral Abnormalities" in conjunction with Mark Beckerman, DVM, Hempstead, New York.

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Member, APDT (UK); Psychologists in Ethical Treatment with Animals

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Harcourt Brace Learning Direct: "The Business of Dog Training" "The Fail Safe Dog: Brain Training, not Pain Training"

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Ph.D., UC Berkeley

Past/Present Clients
Board of Directors: Northeast Dog Rescue Connection; The Dog Project; Sav-A-Dog Foundation; etc. Pro Bono counselor: Little Shelter Humane Society My practice is presently limited to forensics. I diagnose cause of dog bite, based upon testimony before the Court, for attorneys and insurance companies litigating dog bites, including fatal injuries. I also do pro bono work for bona fide rescue organizations, humane societies, et al, regarding such analysis in an effort to obtain release for dogs being held for death in municipal shelters in the US.

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