Catholics/Catholicism vs. Seventh-day Adventist
13:18 wrote at 2007-03-20 07:18:19
The bible doesn't say that hell exists (the bible says hell will exist some point in the future after the holy city descends). The bible doesnt say people are judged when they die, the bible says that the living know that they're going to die but the dead don't know anything, in other words that dead people aren't concious of anything.
Catholics believe the opposite in the way that we're all judgen when we die or go to hell after death, but none of that is biblic. Where did this beliefs come from? The bible doesn't mention anything about that.
And about the pope, he names himself or they name him VICARIUS FILII DEI which adds up to 666 which means in place of the son of god. Book of revelation mentions that the beast has a name of blasphemy and gues what, calling yourself the son of god or saying you represent him is a blasphemy against him, it is a blasphemy to call yourself the son of god or just god. The pope is no god nor the son of god, he is just a human like the rest of us, he has no power like god. Just read the bible. I know most of the catholics dont read the bible, thats why they have different beliefs.
erwin wrote at 2007-06-16 06:14:40
I am a scotsman and a devote catholic, I feel blessed to live and breath the same time jp2nd and mother Theresa.
I work in america and for work for SDA, I have only been here one year and only recently discovered their hate for our blessed pope.
I grew up in a protestant area in glasgow called craigend,
Ilove my faith,god and whst I stand for,
My proudest moment in life (my 2 daughters aside) was singing "he's got the whole world in his hands" at bellahouston park" (ps. Father mc colgan gave us 1pound to tear down anti pope signs for up to 5 weeks before JP2 blessed ian paisley on the steps of st pauls cathedral.
My point being: I grew up in an age of religious hate, I seen good men die for their basic rights such as basic POW treatment remembet this bobby sands (abd wasn't alone) god bless you all)
My point being through this all why/how can a religion be born from man? Like the protestants or. Sda or any other such as jovhia or etc etc we as men can't interpet his word for our own goals: life means life jesus taught us this no religion or self belief should ever doubt the gift of life
Who are we? Who are we in the eyes of god? We are what the lord god made us, we are as person what we want to be,
If any religion harbours a hate clause such as (pope is antichrist) then they shoukd look at their own teachings/beliefs and ask why hate? Why condem, god is good, godis rightious, we are all our fathers childtren
Child of the King wrote at 2007-11-26 17:53:41
I believe that you should first pray about the situation. It's true that it's not safe for one to be in a relationship with someone of another religion but what I suggest you do is ask the young lady questions about her religion as well as read the Bible for yourself asking God for His Spirit's interpretation. People tend to quote parts of the scriptures and use it to their own advantage.
Once you genuinely believe in God and truely want to know more about Him, He will definitely answer your questions and show you the way.
inliner wrote at 2008-01-23 18:38:03
I am Seventh Day Adventist. As much as I know my faith we are God and people loving people. SDA does not hate any religous gruop, you could have seen that youre Adventist friend doesnt hate you at all. Even more, she loves you and wants to tell you the Good News of our Lord and Saviour.
Jesus will come soon. We Adventists believe that in the end there will be two groups of people. One will accept God's law of Love (God's 10 commandments) and have faith of Jesus (Rev 12,17; Rev 14,12), and other will reject either Jesus, or his Commandments, or both.
Also we belive that before a person is sent to hell in order to be consumed by fire (destroyed), or heaven to have everlasting life it has to be judged.
Jeus will bring judgment with him, another way he will judge people before he comes.
But, be it first coming and then judgemanr, or first coming, and then judgment for saved and lost there is no difference, nor is this particular believe relevant for salvation.
Carol wrote at 2008-02-04 11:23:34
No, SDAs don't hate Christians they just try to deceive them with a false gospel & a false prophet. Galatians 1:6-9 was written with the SDA and other cults in mind.
Nicole wrote at 2008-08-07 10:53:25
To everyone who's looking for the truth... Make your own studies and don't just go on stuff others tell you! Always double check information by cross referencing and studying the Bible!
And just as a little tip... i prefer using the King James Version, which is the closest to the original Bible, because unfortunately many verses have been changed or removed from many other Bibles... and again... you will see this for yourself by comparing and cross referencing!
Bob wrote at 2008-12-05 18:15:58
Whether we are SDAs or any other religious group wwe are all God's children.Remember the bible talks about false prophets and/pastors arising in the last days.They will tend to preach the everlasting gospel of Christ our saviour but not at all.First we should test them if they are of truth and if we are really searching for the truth we should pray earnestly that God will giude us and show us the right way to go.
Let the Bible be our standard and seek answers from it.Not the doctrines of men or what men say.We will either Love Jesus and keep His commandments or be against him and His commandments of love.Psalm 16.8 Put God always a head of everyting that we do. God bless you all and help us as we get ready to face His second coming.Amen
kristina wrote at 2009-07-01 18:59:13
the seventh-day Adventist church does not believe the pope is the anti-Christ, we believe that giving the pope authority to change the bible is completely wrong because god clearly states in eph. 1:22 that he controls everything.
kristina wrote at 2009-07-01 19:02:42
although the seventh-day Adventist church does put a lot of emphasis on Ellen G. white some seventh-day Adventist people don't not believe she is a prophet, such as me.
ANONYMOUS wrote at 2010-05-23 12:27:14
PLEASE google illuminati, the Jesuit order, Ignatious ''the great'' and the New World Order... all run by the Catholic Pope in the Vatican. the vatican is a church. why then, does it contain underground torture rooms used to prosecute followers of God and his commandments? because, over the years, the entire popery system has cleverly used their power as a means of global deception to achieve the prime goal: to deceive the world. and what better way to do it than in a ''Christ-like'' manner? where in the Bible is sunday worship supported OR even mentioned? was it not Constantine ( a catholic priest) who joined with paganistic believes and TOTALLY tried to abolish God's fourth commandment which clearly states: REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY BY KEEPING IT HOLY. how about the 6th? YOU SHALL NOT KILL- how
many followers of Christ were killed and tortured in the dark ages? an order made by the Pope of that time... the popery has so much power, they have a secret society- the illuminati, who orchastrated world wars 1 and 2, the global recession and every other occurance that had an international effect. they are currently building concentration camps, like Hitler did (by the way, Hitler was given the necessary power he had by the Roman Pope, Paul II) to brainwash and create souldiers to do their dirty work, like prosecuting people who choose to follow Christ's way, instead of their power hungry intentions... don't you guys see? Satan will stop at NOTHING to win souls for himself, and lessen the amount of people who make it to heaven when Jesus returns...by the way, where in the HOLY BIBLE is praying to a statue of Mary justified? or homosexual marriage? or holy water? or confession of sins to another person? or a rosary? I too have visited various Catholic churches where the teachings are so contrary to that of the Bible, which the ''father'' doesn't even read from. they have self written scripts from which they teach... so how will one know truth when it is so cleverly hidden from you? the illuminati are a powerful group who soon plan to put their intentions back into play. be warned, its gonna get bloody.
don wrote at 2010-06-01 07:21:27
Catholicts hand down their faith by pedobaptism and with it their commitment to bring up their children catholic. Traditions in many ways and forms. Adventists hand down the teachings of the gospel.
Cory wrote at 2010-08-21 20:57:26
Brother you need to know that Ellen white did not call herself a prophet not once she called herself a messenger. All of the people who say she is a false prophet takes what she says out of context on a host of her different writings. Also Adventists believes in the bible and the Bible alone. They do not place Ellen White on the same level as the bible. Ellen white tells their church that if there is ever a question or dispute over something she wrote and the bible for them to follow the bible. Adventists believe that humans should keep the commandments of God as a show of love to God. I john 2:3-6 says And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments.
They also believe in James 2:17-26
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
26. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
They believe in Faith + good works. You are save also by the grace of God. Straight from the bible.
A lot of denomonations don't like adventist because they keep the sabbath and the sabbath is in the ten commandments where god says for us not to steal and kill each other but its ok not to keep the Sabbath which God clearly calls his day.
Brother who is false now adventists or the catholics. Clearly the Catholics are false.
Jason wrote at 2010-09-29 11:50:24
Hi, I am catholic & as I see it; Satan is causing these divisions to weaken the body of Christ & ensure we do not do things in line with Christ or for his glory.
The problem that I have with SDA is that you guys go back to an era that was dark in the Catholic church & keep hitting on that & then add flamboyant reasoning which cannot be verified by any individuals against the Catholics.
Religion & Denominations are of men & will die as men die. When Christ comes he is going look for people of faith in him & the corresponding works & not in churches or denominations. And about the Saturday as the Sabbath that the SDA holds as a key to salvation is something I am not able comprehend. If Saturday was the Sabbath, then god would have put that in the Ten Commandments like the other commandments which is clear & straight to the point.
While SDA folk try to witness or win souls or save souls; they choose a platform of condemnation (pope antichrist, eating pork is evil, Sunday is not a holy day etc) condemnation is the platform & we Catholics just run away from the SDA & ensure we avoid them till death.
Though the SDA folk claim that they don't consider EGW to be above the word or she is not a prophet as in the bible; believe me in reality or at the grass root level the SDA folk stand on a mountain & blow the trumpet about EGW. SDA consider EGW as a prophet & hold her teaching to their heart thatine; but donondemn others who don't; thats not fair & thatot helping the body of Christ.
In my own life I have miracles that have taken place as a catholic & holy mass & the sacraments has made my life rich in grace & ensure I walk in Christ ways. On the whole the big picture that I see is that there is diversity in the Body of Christ & Satan is using it to keep us busy fighting with each other & not doing any work in advancing the Christingdom or taking the good news to the poor & needy.
The worldroblem are getting worse by the day & the Body of Christ is busy fighting within & outside its own denominations. Christ is not a Church or a Denomination; he is a personal savior & he meets & saves people where they are & not only if youSDA.
Donake things worse than what it is rather be open & learn to be find ways where we can be diverse & yet be united in advancing the kingdom of Christ & taking the good news to the ends of the earth.
Mt Carmel wrote at 2010-10-17 01:45:34
I see you have made assumptions about the Seventh-Day Adventist syaing they only worship on Saturday which is completely untrue. They worship God everyday like nevery other christian but rest from their labours on that one day. Another thing is eternal hell, the book of Genesis clearly says that Sodom and Gomorah was destroyed but an everlasting/Eternal fire, yet it still doesnt burn till this day. Now I dont know if you are a catholic or not, there is another group that believe Ellen G White to inspierd by God. Jesuits.
NAS wrote at 2011-09-27 03:02:39
diversity in the body of Christ is the trick of the Devil. A lot of Christian sit and listen to pastors preach John 10:16 and think God has his people in different churches but if your read closer it says one fold and one shepherd. his people shall be one in everything in laws and in who is their lord not 1 law for some and a different law for another.
As for Sunday is it not written in Catholic Books that the Church by right of authority change the Seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday please read more of your own books and keep your bible at your side and ask The Almighty for Guidance and Courage on your journey for truth
Sonia wrote at 2012-02-07 15:29:36
To Sal, I would really like all the information you said you have on the SDA, would really appreciate it. Thanks
Mike Nguyen wrote at 2012-02-28 06:25:24
If you have taken opinions from Catholic experts, you also need to hear from Seventh-day Adventist.
I'm just a learner about the Bible and have encountered both path of Christianity. But the one that bring lights to me is always from Seventh-day Adventist. The main different between Catholic and Seventh-day Adventist is that we mainly believe the holy day that God gave to human is Saturday which is called Sabbath day in the Bible, also known as the last day of the creation on Earth. If you have an electronic bible, you can do a quick search on how many Sabbath word has been repeated in the Bible. We also believe in the ten commandments originally that God gave to Moses. The Roman Catholic has changed the ten commandments if you read the History and apply for the Catholic church. Why? You can read this : http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/romancatholic-tencommandments.html
Why God need to repeat this day so many times ? Does God change the day of worship to Sunday ? Why God need you to keep the Sabbath holy ? Some people told me, does it really matter to worship God in a certain day, we can do it every day. I feel doubt and ask many members in the Church, but again the Bible told me the whole things, why Sabbath is so important to God. If the Bible have mask of the Beast, then it also have God signature for human beings, it's seven day of the weeks, the day that God rest and bless us.
Most of our believe is not gaining from Ellen White like Catholicism think. Actually, most of our believe is getting from the Bible. We don't preach E.G White books in the church, all we do at the church is read the bible together and learn lesson from the Bible. The way we learn is by individual observation and discussion. We don't even believe in the preacher until we confirmed with Bible. The Bible is the only source that contains the Trust.
And i have visited a seventh-day Adventist Church. In normal, if the Church owned it, it will have statue and drawing. But the Church that i attend which is built for Catholic. But they worship on Sunday so we can book it for Saturday. We by many limit condition need a place to worship, reading Bible and hearing different life preaching base on the Bible. Each of the teaching is always refer to verbs in the Bible story.
We work by team and group. We have volunteer activities to deliver God message to everyone such as Letter Boxing and Door Knocking, etc. We do not do spamming like Sal said. Every time i go to Letter Boxing, the other always tell me not put in "No Junk Mail" mailboxes.
Sal said "the SDA Church also teaches a doctrine that they and they alone subscribe to". I totally disagreed, nothing like that happen in our Church. All the teaching is from the Bible. If not, it considered as personal opinions and will be discussed.
What is right and what is wrong is really need to be judged by a person who care to read the Bible. I have many friends which are Catholic Christians, but they never care enough to read the Bible. If you pray to God and start reading the Bible yourself and refer to internet resources, you will know which path is right for you. God is the only Trust and he never made any mistakes in the Bible.
kk wrote at 2012-03-05 12:25:46
I respect your opinion Gerald,but we must be frank to ourselves,your response relies on written works of man and not biblical text,i would purely dispute your advice ,if only you could refer to the Holy Book,I would have even thought of it,mind you,exclude the Apocrypha books which you Catholics claim to be God's written works.i appreciate your creativity but it is misplaced.God's word comprises of far much wider scope than what you people think.Thank you.
jay wrote at 2012-04-19 09:10:26
Do you believe in the ten comandments?
What is the fisrt day of the week?
"Blessed are those that keep the commandments and have the faith of Jesus!
Do you read your bible?
if you love Jesus you will keep His commandment.
MATT wrote at 2012-05-22 16:04:47
WOW SAl, A little heavy on the dislike and light ont he love for fellow Christians of the SDA persuassion.
I am SDA converted from Catholic. I gre up in the Catholic church and was very active. Alterboy, camp counselor etc. I found myself asking why a lot.
The apostles Creed says "He will come again to judge the living and the dead" but the Catholic church teaches that upon death you are immediatley judged and sent to heaven, hell or purgatory...where was purgatorymentioned in the Bible?...but I digress, If HE (JESUS) will come again to judge the living and the dead, how can the dead be already judged? Then if the Bible says we are to follow Jesus and be just like him in all ways, and we can agree that Jesus went to Temple on Saturday - Sabbath then why is that alone not good enough. I think if Jesus knew he was going to die and was asking everyone to do as he did then he might have personally mentioned that Sunday or Wednesday or any day other than Sabbath was ok before he died. But he didn't He went to temple on Sabbath and got mad at the sellers there that day. Allmy answers are based upon facts found in the only perfect book the Bible. ps if you base a relationship with anyone on a shared love of Jesus then it will work. be they catholic, SDA, Baptist or other... I cant recall the Bible verse where Jesus rejected others but I can mention a ton where He Loved EVERYONE.
God Bless SDA MATT
richie wrote at 2012-06-12 13:44:14
Hi sal I would like you rto please elaborate on the sda doctrines being false please all the one you mentioned. If you have proof then please share, I need to know ! Thankx in advance.
machopr wrote at 2012-06-28 05:15:14
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
1 Corinthians 15
52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
so were are the dead when Christ comes for us?
in their graves, not in heaven.
this are just two times, out of many, were the bible states that the dead are resurrected at the coming of Christ, not the day they die. I don't know where catholics got the idea of the dead being judged the day they die...
josue wrote at 2012-12-02 01:52:50
Everything is a lie. I am a Adventist the sleep doctrine is ho Jesus COMPARED it to death. And we are NOT anti Catholic.
youtube.com/windystairs7 wrote at 2013-05-06 02:58:40
there is many sabbaths, but only one is to be kept by everybody, it is the creation sabbath.
God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.